Posted on 11/05/2001 12:11:09 PM PST by Carol Roberts
My wife and I just obtained our Basic Firearm Safety Certificates. At the range we rented a Glock 9mm, S&W 38, and Sig Sauer 45. I found the recoil almost identical on each gun we tested (the wife didn't shoot the .45). About 25 years ago I shot a S&W 357 with magnum rounds and I remember the recoil was much more noticeable.
My wife is comfortable with the S&W 38 revolver and the Glock 9mm, but she only used the .38 in single action mode as she wasn't used to pulling the trigger all the way back, so the Glock 9mm will probably be best for her. She's not that strong so I'm a little concerned with her sliding the 9mm in a "situation". We'll be shooting our guns weekly for a while, but feel an urgency to make a purchase now. Comments/suggesions?
I'm interested in something bigger, perhaps Glock 10mm/357/.40/.45. According to glock the .40 caliber (Glock 23) "are so impressive that the FBI recently adopted them for issue".
From what we're told, it's not that difficult to get a concealed weapons permit where we live. So that raises the question of getting the smaller versions for concealment. Which raises accuracy, firepower, etc issues. Comments/suggesions?
BTW, when referring to Glock guns, is it best to refer to their model number or caliber?
For home protection I was also thinking of getting a 12 gauge shotgun (just gotta get close). The Winchester 1300 looks good. What's your opinion for using the 12 gauge for home protection?
My gut feel for my myself (not my wife's weapon) is the Glock 10mm and some .38 or .357 revolver for an ankle strapped backup, although I'm not too sure on brands for the revolver... Suggestions? Between the Glock 10mm, .356, .40 & .45, is the bigger the bore really the better? I guess that all depends, but what's your pick and why?
Of course there's my favorite from high school days/daze, the AR15, which I haven't really thought about since high school but always thought it would be a great weapon to help protect the neighborhood, such as in a "Red Dawn" situation.
Throwing knives are another issue... Suggestions?
Is there someplace to discuss firearm questions/issues on the net? Here?
Who needs a hacksaw?
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First of all, a revolver is the most reliable because it is mechanically simpler and more forgiving with ammo tolerances.
Secondly, newspaper reports announcing that a person shot 5 times with a 9 mm are on their way to the hospital are numerous. I would not want to rely on a weapon that required more than one shot to stop a person.
I can't really argue with most of the choices I see here. I personally think a 4 or 6 inch .357 magnum is the optimum defense gun, but only by tiny percentages.
The real advantage of the .22 is that it is so much fun to shoot. That and the fact that one can shoot all day without going broke.
I grew up on a farm and was lucky enough to have a Father who was a shooter. I remember him killing hogs and steers with a .22 rifle. They would drop like they were pole axed.
One of my favorite writers was Russel Annabel. He once wrote a paean to the .22.
Living in Alaska from the early part of the 20th century, he kept a Colt Woodsman with him all the time. He recounted story after story of how the the Woodsman saved his hide. He ended the story by saying they should build a monument to the .22.
Of shotguns, I would choose a Remington 11-87, but the Winchester model 1300 defender is a better buy. The 870 is simply the best pump ever including the model 12.
Never have I read that .410 is a good home defense weapon. I'd recommend a 20 gage instead of a .410.
The sound of slide racking may scare off an intruder, I don't know.
As a rule of thumb .380 is pretty light for personal defense. .38 & 9mm are usually fine. .40 S&W and .357 SIG are more powerful. .357, .400 Corbon & .45 are about as much anyone could ever need. With .41 Mag & .44 Mag you're paying for a lot more boom, but at some point, dead is dead. .50 cal Desert Eagle and you're in la la land.
Concur completely. Additionally, you can get in a decent amount of practice and not bang the heck out of yourself. I love my Glock model 22 in .40 S&W, recommended above, but I find that after about 200 rounds my hand buzzes - I use a weightlifter's glove if I'm going any distance with that gun. Conversely, my Kimber (1911-style .45ACP), which to my grip is more ergonomic than the Glock, can go 300+ rounds without making me ache.
But shooting those guns is like throwing quarters downrange - it's less if you reload, but it's still significant. You can buy a brick (500) of .22 ammo for $12-15 and practice all day. And with practice, quantity and quality BOTH count.
As for self-defense, though, the .22 is simply inadequate even if you are a very good shot. A strike to the head isn't necessarily fatal - records abound of the bullet glancing off the bone and even entering the cranial cavity, following the skull around, and stopping inside without killing (although it'd sure get the perp's attention). The only sure target is the orbit of the eye, not always available, and try to hit THAT in a semilit room on a moving target!
There isn't really a perfect indoor caliber - anything small enough to not penetrate wallboard (and a Glaser WILL penetrate wallboard, contrary to the above - I proved it to myself) may not penetrate heavy clothing, and anything big enough to knock down a perp is big enough to go through a wall. Indoors no shotshell, even #9, will disperse enough not to have the same problem - at 15 feet even the fine birdshot is still a lump about the size of a slug, and with nearly that hitting power. Each caliber, and each shooter, has a compromise that is unique to the individual.
The Glock 26 (Baby Glock)
This is what I shoot but it is still a little big for me for carry purposes.
Any ideas on something smaller and easier to carry?
A .22 will not glance off a skull unless it hits at such an oblique angle that it would not have done any real damage anyway.
I do agree that other calibers are generally better for protection, but only by a small margin.
If I had to choose one handgun for all uses it would definitely be a .22. A Browning Hi-Power was my first quality pistol (I bought it at Kings hardware in DeFuniak Springs Fl. in 1969) and still would be hard to beat.
Still the king of gunfighting is the plain old M1911. If one wants it for protection and not competition, then just leave it alone. It doesn't need melted edges, trigger jobs, high profile sights etc.
If John Browning didn't put it on, then it probably isn't necessary for what he intended it.
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