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What gun(s) to purchase & other gun questions.

Posted on 11/05/2001 12:11:09 PM PST by Carol Roberts

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To: Carol Roberts
Most women have a problem racking the slide on a semi-auto pistol. For a smooth double action revolver, check on a Colt Detective Special (38 sp) or Python (38/357 mag) Shoot 110 gr. JHP 38 sp in both. You can't beat it.
61 posted on 11/05/2001 1:36:30 PM PST by Capt_Hank
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To: Carol Roberts
For home defense, you can't beat this baby:

Remington 870 Marine Magnum

Who needs a hacksaw?

62 posted on 11/05/2001 1:39:00 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: brewcrew
So what kind of shot do you recommend? I can see where no. 9 will fill the air and double 00 would fill less of the air but have more punch. A nice breneke slug, equivalent to .84 caliber, might pack a wallop also. Any ideas here?
63 posted on 11/05/2001 1:40:35 PM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: Carol Roberts
I bought the Glock 23 after trying several at the range. The 10mm is great if you ever find yourself in bear country, otherwise the 9 or .40 might be better. Spend some time at the range and try/rent as many different as you can.

For more Glock info, try GlockTalk

64 posted on 11/05/2001 1:42:25 PM PST by TC Rider
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To: samuel_adams_us
Isn't that a centerfire round? That would be nice for chipmunks squirrels and other small game.
65 posted on 11/05/2001 1:42:57 PM PST by Swingj
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To: Carol Roberts
Some simple observations I've made might help you decide what decision to take regarding gun ownership for self defense.

First of all, a revolver is the most reliable because it is mechanically simpler and more forgiving with ammo tolerances.

Secondly, newspaper reports announcing that a person shot 5 times with a 9 mm are on their way to the hospital are numerous. I would not want to rely on a weapon that required more than one shot to stop a person.

66 posted on 11/05/2001 1:43:49 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: Swingj
It is a center fire round and shoots flat for 200+ yards. Hitting coyotes at 400 yards has never been so easy.
67 posted on 11/05/2001 1:45:46 PM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: MosesKnows
Better try the .50 cal desert eagle then. :) Maybe a small ATW.
68 posted on 11/05/2001 1:46:43 PM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: samuel_adams_us
For home defense, I'd use 00 or 000 buckshot. Slugs require a different barrel, plus you can't just get close with a slug. The short barrel on the model I linked to is great for tight maneuvers inside a building (like your house). I think the 18" barrel is the shortest allowed by law. The shorter the barrel is, the quicker the shot will scatter.
69 posted on 11/05/2001 1:47:32 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: samuel_adams_us
I am with you on the .22's. The greatest caliber ever and by a wide margin. They are the most accurate handgun caliber and are more effective than they have any right to be.

I can't really argue with most of the choices I see here. I personally think a 4 or 6 inch .357 magnum is the optimum defense gun, but only by tiny percentages.

The real advantage of the .22 is that it is so much fun to shoot. That and the fact that one can shoot all day without going broke.

I grew up on a farm and was lucky enough to have a Father who was a shooter. I remember him killing hogs and steers with a .22 rifle. They would drop like they were pole axed.

One of my favorite writers was Russel Annabel. He once wrote a paean to the .22.

Living in Alaska from the early part of the 20th century, he kept a Colt Woodsman with him all the time. He recounted story after story of how the the Woodsman saved his hide. He ended the story by saying they should build a monument to the .22.

Of shotguns, I would choose a Remington 11-87, but the Winchester model 1300 defender is a better buy. The 870 is simply the best pump ever including the model 12.

70 posted on 11/05/2001 1:47:51 PM PST by Shanda
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To: samuel_adams_us
How does one go about getting the certificate? I am interested in this.
71 posted on 11/05/2001 1:51:34 PM PST by Bigg Red
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An ideal home defense weapon is a pump action .410 shotgun. There are 000 buckshot rounds available in .410 caliber .....
Besides, the slide action of chambering a round (a.k.a. "racking" the slide) is enough to send most intruders running!

Never have I read that .410 is a good home defense weapon. I'd recommend a 20 gage instead of a .410.
The sound of slide racking may scare off an intruder, I don't know.

72 posted on 11/05/2001 1:55:48 PM PST by dbbeebs
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To: Bigg Red
Check with the NRA to see if they are holding classes and also check with the person who posted this. Where I live, Colorado, we are not required to do this and where I grew up we all took Hunter Safety Class from the Colorado Division of Wildlife in the 5th grade, was part of the regular ciriculum so I am not enformed on this cert.
73 posted on 11/05/2001 1:58:05 PM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: fourdeuce82d
A .357 and .45 are not underpowered. Center fired rifle rounds are completely wrong for personal defense. A .30 caliber bullet going 2,000+ fps will go right through a person's leg without expanding (unless it hits bone) and continue on its way for another 100 or so yards. If you use the right ammo, believe me, a .357 or a .45 will knock down an offensive lineman.

As a rule of thumb .380 is pretty light for personal defense. .38 & 9mm are usually fine. .40 S&W and .357 SIG are more powerful. .357, .400 Corbon & .45 are about as much anyone could ever need. With .41 Mag & .44 Mag you're paying for a lot more boom, but at some point, dead is dead. .50 cal Desert Eagle and you're in la la land.

74 posted on 11/05/2001 1:58:34 PM PST by garycooper
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To: garycooper
.50 Cal Desert Eagle and you will be missing some wall space if you miss. Can you imagine if it hit a nail or electrical box on a stud in the wall of your house. Dry wall everywhere!
75 posted on 11/05/2001 2:02:46 PM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: Carol Roberts
Glock .40 is a great carry gun. 38 is OK for backup, but I think someone makes a titanium 357 that might be better, just don't remember who.
76 posted on 11/05/2001 2:09:29 PM PST by 6ppc
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To: Shanda
The real advantage of the .22 is that it is so much fun to shoot. That and the fact that one can shoot all day without going broke.

Concur completely. Additionally, you can get in a decent amount of practice and not bang the heck out of yourself. I love my Glock model 22 in .40 S&W, recommended above, but I find that after about 200 rounds my hand buzzes - I use a weightlifter's glove if I'm going any distance with that gun. Conversely, my Kimber (1911-style .45ACP), which to my grip is more ergonomic than the Glock, can go 300+ rounds without making me ache.

But shooting those guns is like throwing quarters downrange - it's less if you reload, but it's still significant. You can buy a brick (500) of .22 ammo for $12-15 and practice all day. And with practice, quantity and quality BOTH count.

As for self-defense, though, the .22 is simply inadequate even if you are a very good shot. A strike to the head isn't necessarily fatal - records abound of the bullet glancing off the bone and even entering the cranial cavity, following the skull around, and stopping inside without killing (although it'd sure get the perp's attention). The only sure target is the orbit of the eye, not always available, and try to hit THAT in a semilit room on a moving target!

There isn't really a perfect indoor caliber - anything small enough to not penetrate wallboard (and a Glaser WILL penetrate wallboard, contrary to the above - I proved it to myself) may not penetrate heavy clothing, and anything big enough to knock down a perp is big enough to go through a wall. Indoors no shotshell, even #9, will disperse enough not to have the same problem - at 15 feet even the fine birdshot is still a lump about the size of a slug, and with nearly that hitting power. Each caliber, and each shooter, has a compromise that is unique to the individual.

77 posted on 11/05/2001 2:12:41 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Carol Roberts

The Glock 26 (Baby Glock)

This is what I shoot but it is still a little big for me for carry purposes.

Any ideas on something smaller and easier to carry?

78 posted on 11/05/2001 2:15:02 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: snippy_about_it
Check into a browning .380 Auto.
79 posted on 11/05/2001 2:21:46 PM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: Billthedrill
Agree with you on the fun of shooting a .22 but disagree that it is inadequate.

A .22 will not glance off a skull unless it hits at such an oblique angle that it would not have done any real damage anyway.

I do agree that other calibers are generally better for protection, but only by a small margin.

If I had to choose one handgun for all uses it would definitely be a .22. A Browning Hi-Power was my first quality pistol (I bought it at Kings hardware in DeFuniak Springs Fl. in 1969) and still would be hard to beat.

Still the king of gunfighting is the plain old M1911. If one wants it for protection and not competition, then just leave it alone. It doesn't need melted edges, trigger jobs, high profile sights etc.

If John Browning didn't put it on, then it probably isn't necessary for what he intended it.

80 posted on 11/05/2001 2:23:10 PM PST by yarddog
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