Posted on 11/01/2001 6:06:29 AM PST by vannrox
The reason people are getting "worked up" about what you've written is because you are being a bit self-righteous here, about what *you* would do, and how *you* would never jump. If these people had an easy means of escaping a burning building other than jumping, don't you think they would have done that? It's easy to be the armchair quarterback here, and say what you would have done, but you didn't have to face that horrible decision that day. Those people had two choices: 1) death by burning/smoke inhalation or 2) death by jumping. You say that you didn't see anybody on fire when they jumped, but did you know that most people who die in fires die due to smoke inhalation, not the burning itself?
Did I claim otherwise? I think not.
I'd love to see just how cool and rational you'd be if an jumbo jet full of fuel crashed into the building where you work -- a few floors below you -- and the flames and smoke were so intense, as the fire was burning between 1000-2000 degrees and coming up fast on you.
Funny, I wouldn't want to see anyone in a situation like that. And rational doesn't mean you are emotionaly uneffected, it just means you make your choices based on reason, not panic. Panic is not a required response, some people have faced horrific like threatening situations without panicing before and will again, and I hope if ever in such a situation I will not panic and become irrational.
It's obvious that you've never been in a life-threatening situation
You mean like the time someone tried to run me over on purpose, or the time some drugged out guy attacked me armed with a large screwdriver (the kind witht the flat blade), or the time a car went out of control and crashed into the gas pumps at the station I worked at when I was in high school? Don't pretend you know anything about me.
Nobody knows how they're going to react in a situation like this, but we just hope and pray that if it happens, we can make the right decisions and survive it.
I never denied the possibility, I just said that I can't see myself making the same decision they did. If you can see yourself doing it, you are mentaly partway out the window already.
And why would God favor you over the 5000+ whom he did not save that morning? How arrogant.
Actually, I think it quite arrogant of you to think you know better than God, or that you can tell ahead of time what his plan and purposes are.
God does not help those who do not help themselves. Having the faith to try is being hopefull, not arrogant. Assuming that God will step just because it's you IS arrogance, but I'm not saying that God will intervene, I'm saying that if you act you *might* survive, and as long as I am capable of trying, I will. Should just give up and die so I don't embarras others who don't try?
Even more arrogant than assuming that you'd be so calm and rational during that kind of crisis.
I said I can't see myself choosing to do what they did. That's not the same thing as assuming I would be calm.
If you mentaly prepare to fail at something. You will fail.
It's painfully obvious that you've *never* been in any situation even remotely resembling what happened here on 9/11.
It's painfully obvious to me that you don't understand that faith isn't a passive belife.
so please stop trying to lord your self-perceived superiority over the rest of us mere mortals.
Just where did I ever say I was better than anyone else? I only said I can't see myself reacting the same way they did.
Unless you're a trained rescue professional, I'd love to see just how rational you'd be in that kind of a situation.
Oh, so only trained professionals have ever been rational in the face of disaster. Riiiiiiiiiight.
That guy hanging out the window was trying to survive, his efforts didn't work out, but he tried, so that's NOT what I'm talking about. I am not critisizing the decision anyone made, I never said they were wrong or should have done this or that I JUST SAID THAT I CAN'T SEE MYSELF VOLUNTAIRLY JUMPING.
Dang! I've been outed!
Live long and prosper.
So you are saying that God CAN'T work miracles? Or that someone can know ahead of time that no miracle will happen? And I did NOT question or critisize them, I just said I can't see myself doing the same thing and you jumped to the conclusion that I was critisizing them.
And no, I would not sit and pray for angles to swoop me away, I would take whaever action I could think of to keep alive while praying for God to inspire me with a good idea and help me choose the best direction to go. I realize that it might not make a difference, if its your time, its your time, but can't you realize that it might make a difference to try?
Besides, in case you don't know, this is what we DO here. Face life.
No, you are assuming that saying I can't see myself willingly jumping out a window means that I'm putting down those who did. There were others who WERE there who DIDN'T jump out a window. Are you calling them self-righteous and saying they really should have jumped?
If these people had an easy means of escaping a burning building other than jumping, don't you think they would have done that?
Of course. But what about not so easy ways? Would you plunge into the flames in the HOPE of finding a way out, knowing that even if you did you would be burned and scarred for life? Can you understand someone making THAT choice?
Then why did you open the post? Huh?
Sweeping things neatly under the carpet has been done for too d@mned long. We NEED to LOOK at this so that it will make us realize we need to ACT.
We can never, ever, allow this to happen again.
Every time we would look at the NYC skyline, we would see "the missing WTC towers."
The guy who has the lease on the land wants to rebuild, but he plans to put up something else, perhaps four 50-story buildings. I think this is a grave mistake-- they would be looked upon forever as "the stumps that replaced the Twin Towers." And the terrorists will have won a victory, which is one too many.
I will do my best. Now, WHERE is that color cartidge?
Could you also provide the web addy of the site...I didn't see when I clicked into the website. I'm not terribly computer literate so mercy is welcome. ; o)
I saw on the site that there is student/teacher information available. Since I homeschool and we're studying this particular era, it would serve nicely.
Thank you...HM
I agree. However, who would work in buildings like that? Ever since the 93 bombing, I'd resolved never to enter again. And I never have.
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