Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Well why not? Jesus visting America is exactly how Mormons justify their doctrine. They base it on when Jesus said he had "other flocks. What's abundantly clear is that they are not doctrine of scripture, but doctrine of men.
I don't know Hebrew, but I have a hard time believing that nobody knew whether you were talking about full brothers, half-brothers, cousins or anyhing else in Hebrew. Didn't JHavard have an example of the description of a cousin? Really? You can't imagine an extended family clan with women dying in childbirth, etc. and lots of cousins around and half brothers, etc.? I can. There is a Greek passage which uses the greek word for cousin. But that doesn't mean that other books were not taking the Hebrew word "Brother" and rendering it in Greek in an overly literal way.
Oh I can imagine the situation, but I can't imagine having no way to describe the orgin of individuals within it.
Hey. I'm not going to give your thoughts on Catholic history a whole lot of weight if you don't know your own. "Fundamentalist" is not a derogatory term in relation to Christian Fundamentalists. Their firm belief in their doctrine was what caused others to label the most stringent (or radical) believers of other religions to be labeled "fundamentalists" (like the "fundamentalist" wing of Islam, etc.) This is am insult to the people that invented the word.
Please note that the word 'fundamental' or 'fundamentalist' should not be confused with that of a militant religious fanatic or the like as is implied by the word in the media and elsewhere....What should be understood is the premise that there are essential doctrines of Christianity that should not in any way be set aside or tampered with, these doctrines are 'fundamental' to true Christianity. A fundamentalist in this sense of the word is one who upholds these doctrines without compromise.
A quick google search would have solved the problem. The first or second hit was this one. They make good reading. Give them a try.
Any Kingston Trio fans out there?
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much.
Better go take some asprin. :)
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Fine. If the Bible doesn't say it, it can't possibly be true. Whatever. Don't make a distinction between what are fanciful claims that require more substantiation in history and archeology,etc. and a claim that is entirely plausible based upon the Bible's silence. Just stick to what is written and close your mind about anythign else.
SD
We have the same problem in English. Lots of cultures can't understand how so many different family relationships are classified as "cousins". I have to have my wife explain to me what relation my own relatives have to me... "is that 'second cousin' or 'first cousin once removed' or what?"
Did you know that that term originated as a ridicule of the doctrine of Transubstantiation. It is a take off of the Latin "hoc est corpus meum" which means "this is my body"?
SD
Yes, I see. Anyone who takes their religion seriously, whatever religion it is, and isn't "tolerant" of other peoples' "lifestyles" and choices is a fundamentalist. It has become a bad name to throw around, like "fascist."
I was referring more to the classical definition of the word to describe a type of Christian who attempts to go back to the "fundamentals" of the faith.
SD
I think that going when you don't want to but you know you should is more beneficial to the soul and I do think God is more pleased when that happens than when the person who doesn't want to go stays home. Similar to the no pain no gain concept. I think God expects his creatures to obey Him even when they'd rather do something else. Of course, if someone is truly following Him in the fullest extent, they would probably prefer to worship Him in His house every chance they had.
I don't think non-believers should go just to go or just to be seen. But anyone who is a Christian should go to church even when - make that especially when - they don't feel like it.
Theo is a masculine word and as such CANNOT refer to Mary no matter how hard you make it try to fit. Repeat, the THEO is not translatable as goddess, only as god. Therefore, the flight of fancy (unsupported by any Greek scholar anywhere) in regards to the theological term "theotokos" is simply that, a flight of fancy. The primary meaning of the word is childbearing and it is only when used metaphorically that it means "interest." If you want to assert that Jesus is a "metaphorical" god, that would be an interesting new tack and course of study. The term is only used in reference to Mary and Jesus, Mary being the "tokos" and Jesus being the "theos." And I'm sure this will do a lot of good, but HERE'S A LINK. If you would like to argue that "mother of God" does not appear in the Bible, that is a completely legitimate argument and one that finds a certain resonance with me. However, do not twist a word or language or the theory of languages in general to try to make your point. Over and out.
I think that God is "more pleased" when He sees his children obeying Him and trying to grow up to be like Him.
I don't think that God is pleased when others "obey" him (even when they keep a comandment) because they are not His children.
I don't think God is pleased when His children disobey Him or "rebel".
Christ Bless.
WS
Well, I can rest assured that he will continue with his nonsense.
Yup. I've certainly felt like not going before and but went ahead anyway. The Bible in Hebrews says not to forsake the gathering together. I've also missed on occasion but don't necessarily feel damned for it. Mostly if I'm sick or when it snows or something like that.
Besides I am beginning to see that from these threads my family believe the ritual is what saves them. I don't believe there is any heart knowledge of Jesus Christ. They are devout in the ritual, going to church never miss, communion, penance etc. But they don't have a clue about what some of these people on here say that all signifies. I don't blame the catholic church for that either, if that is what some think, we are each responsible for seeking the truth.
Becky
Wow. I didn't know that. But gee, seems to fit perfectly. :-)
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