The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[american colleen]

Too bad they didn't teach me to see it in the same light.

No one taught me to see it that way.

[malakhi]

And a Catholic can marry a Southern Baptist.

Convenient. You can carry on the 30 years of dialogue between the Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists without ever leaving the house! ;o)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

No one taught me to see it that way.

You must be holy.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

If Mack went first his therapist and I would both have to find a new one to unscramble our brains:)

Becky

[american colleen]

Will you stop baiting me!

[IMRight]

Nobody goes "with" anybody. We go as a family. Sometime to one, sometimes the other, sometimes both.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I could try, but I'd rather give you up for adoption to someone else.

Thats the same thing my folks said :(

But thanks for thaking the time read and respond. (it may be all I can hope for :)

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Will you stop baiting me!

Ya that's it.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Well only God can make that judgement, but from what he gave us in his Word I would have to say no. Yes those are thing we have to do, but first we have to believe that we are sinners who need salvation, and what we do does not save us, but belief in Jesus Christs scrafice on the cross. Rituals and good works won't save us or keep us saved. They should be done only for worship and giving God the glory for saving us. We need to also realize that IF we do anything good, we did not do it, It was the HS working trough us.

Becky

[IMRight]

Last word, Steve?

[malakhi]

Nobody goes "with" anybody. We go as a family. Sometime to one, sometimes the other, sometimes both.

I asked because I didn't think that attending services at a non-Catholic church fulfilled a Catholic's Sunday obligation.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Last word, Steve?

Hocus pocus

[IMRight]

Pop quiz if you consider yourself a "Fundamentalist":

What were "the fundamentals" (the list, not the work)? And which one does your family not accept?

[malakhi]

Becky, have you asked them if they accept Jesus as their personal lord and savior? If they have accepted his sacrifice on the cross, what difference does it make what church they worship in?

[american colleen]

first we have to believe that we are sinners who need salvation, and what we do does not save us, but belief in Jesus Christs scrafice on the cross. Rituals and good works won't save us or keep us saved. They should be done only for worship and giving God the glory for saving us. We need to also realize that IF we do anything good, we did not do it, It was the HS working trough us

Pardon for butting in. I don't know your family, but if they are Catholic they do believe what you outlined above. Do you think maybe they don't use the same words as you do? I say that because I think a lot of Catholics might have an aversion to the word "saved".

[SoothingDave]

I asked because I didn't think that attending services at a non-Catholic church fulfilled a Catholic's Sunday obligation.

It doesn't. In fact you might have to go to Mass twice for every time you go to a Protestant house of worship. ;-)

I think IMRight knows that his Sunday obligation is filled only at a Catholic Mass.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I think IMRight knows that his Sunday obligation is filled only at a Catholic Mass.

My point exactly today. Do you think God is more pleased with someone who wants to go to church or someone who is obligated?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What were "the fundamentals" (the list, not the work)? And which one does your family not accept?

The Bible, and we accept them all.

BigMack

[IMRight]

It doesn't. I'm not always a very good Catholic. I'm working on being a good husband and father (sorry, "dad") and having faith that the "good Catholic" part will work itself out (meaning, of course, that God will work it out).

Maybe you could look at it as buying tickets on two horses in the same race?

[JHavard]

No, you are wrong. It does not state that she had additional children. It states that the people in the crowd thought of these people as the blood relations of Christ. The true nature of Christ's Father would have been kept from the neighbors. So they would have thought that Joseph was Christ's father. and half-sisters. And so, they would have called them his brothers and sisters. If these other children were Joseph's by a previous marriage, which is what the Orthodox Church teaches, the crowd would have always thought that they were Jesus's half-brothers

WS, thank you for your sincere and thoughtful response to my post, and the tactful way you compliment first, than critique afterwords, which is exactly what I just did. Hahahaha

I have attempted to answer this several times, and I can’t seem to avoid it sounding sarcastic and derisive, which I don’t intend to do, so instead, I will learn from you, and simply ask you some hopefully thought provoking questions.

Do you find even the remotest suggestion in scripture that Joseph had been married prior to Mary

The RC’s call Mary a spotless vessel, and while this is not a biblical term, you may feel it is true, if so, how do you account for the fact that God chose a man for Mary who had been married and had at least 6 other children to another woman, do you believe God would give Mary anything but a spotless man for her mate?

If Joseph had already brought 6 children into the marriage, had you considered how old they would have been.

Would Christ not then be the youngest of the 7?

Would you agree that the youngest child would have been a minimum of 3 years older then Jesus?

Would you agree that James would have had to be at least 8 to 10 years older then Jesus?

When the family followed Mary around the country side, she was their mother in law, and only a few years older then James?

When they all came to see Jesus in Mt 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.am I to believe that all his family was still following Mary around, and they ranged in ages from 33, to their 40’s?

If Joseph had James 15 years prior to Mary, James could have been the same age as his mother in law?

If Jesus was the youngest child, and not the eldest, he held no responsibility for Mary’s welfare when he died, so he simply took it upon himself to tell John to take her in, because according to Jewish law, it was not his to give, and it would have gone to James.

Why do you suppose the genealogy failed to list Joseph’s previous wife and children?

Mt 1: 6. And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

I am going to stop here, because I could no doubt go on forever on these absurd hypothetical questions if this line of reasoning is followed to it's natural end, but first let me get your thinking so far on this. (^g^) JH