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As I said before, at m dad's request we do not talk about religion at all. Before the request was made Mack aske him once if he thought he would go to heaven when he died. He said he hoped so, that he was a pretty good guy and gave money. Does that sound like trusting the in Jesus to you?:(

Besides I am beginning to see that from these threads my family believe the ritual is what saves them. I don't believe there is any heart knowledge of Jesus Christ. They are devout in the ritual, going to church never miss, communion, penance etc. But they don't have a clue about what some of these people on here say that all signifies. I don't blame the catholic church for that either, if that is what some think, we are each responsible for seeking the truth.

Becky

Based on your last statement to Angelo, I'm inferring you think some Catholics can go to heaven, but not your family given the evidence of their belief as your dad stated it to you. Hence your looking for: "A way to convince a catholic to take a different look at their faith" (those that think they are saved by going through the motions).

And that it could be remedied except that they "they don't have a clue about what some of these people on here say that all signifies."

It could be suggested that they, as you say, look deeper into their faith, but not if they are unwilling.

Seems another impasse, doesn't it?

Maybe there's another way to look at it. Given two assumptions you've described:

1) They lack heart knowledge of Jesus Christ; and,

2)You cannot have a religious discussion with them.

The question that leads to is:

Is it possible to communicate heart knowledge of Jesus Christ while avoiding what they would think is a religious discussion?