Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
All I did was forget to put the "" marks around the last paragraph. It's is writen in the person of JoeProddie.
You are placing limits on the power and grace of God. Once again, I throw out the example of a person that has never in his/her life ever heard one word about anything regarding God, Jesus, etc. This person dies one day and finds him/herself in Heaven at the face of our maker. Don't you think that this person, too, is entitled to the saving blood of the Lamb of God? Couldn't they, at that point, accept or deny it?
You're acting like I was insulting your wife. A practice which I shun. I merely said (as I thought you had agreed) that she did not understand Catholic teaching on the subject (which is the Church's fault and not hers). "Unrefined" was, I thought, a way to say that she had in incomplete understanding of the idea behind meatless Fridays. Please don't go on about how wonderful your wife is by comparison to me - I am not in doubt - although "my wife could beat up your wife nanny nanny boo boo" :-)
I infer from your response that you agree that my example situation would be an occasion of sin, but disagree that it parallels the RCC position. If so, I think I made my point - you agree it is objectively sinful, but that you don't go to hell for it. The disagreement (in your somewhat heated response) seems to be the Church's authority to call a fast. I'm afraid we must disagree there. I place myself under the Church's authority by remaining a Catholic, so yes, the fast is by my own decision (and that of every Catholic).
Got it. Man, you must have really been confused for a minute there. Sorry to throw you off.
Well .. they're both GM vehicles. Cadillac DID make a "truck" for a couple of years (very El Camino-like). I think it even had the same engine as the El Camino ... a Chevy.
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You got alot of nerve, heres one from your fearless leader.
Pope John Paul II criticizes "Bible-only" thinking in his latest encyclical letter, "Faith and Reason" (Fides et Ratio). The Pope, a onetime philosophy professor, warns against "fideism," the idea that rational knowledge has little value for faith. He condemns "biblicism" as "one currently widespread" symptom of the problem. John Paul redefines biblicism as the tendency "to make the reading and exegesis of Scripture the sole criterion of truth." The rule of Christian faith, the Pope claims, is unity among three sources of truth: "Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magisterium [teaching authority] of the Church" (What in the World, Vol. 25, No. 3, 1999).
Don't preach to us you hypocrite!
BigMack
How did you think she learned the wrong teaching on meatless Friday, do you think she read it in the Bible? No, she learned it from her parents and nuns, and her friends, so if they were all wrong, you do have a communication problem.
She had never missed a Sunday Mass, so why wasn't it taught from the pulpit until they knew everyone understood? How much time do you think the priest spent educating them?
Uninformed Protestants do not show their ignorance of the church teachings by doing works; they simply do nothing, which is probably better since they have no false sense of security.
What I'm saying is, don't be discouraged, you're doing good, but don't be afraid to say I made a mistake, and will be more careful next time.
Also, you got into all this by defending the church when I said meatless Friday was a tradition with no Biblical backing, and a useless law, and that is still true.
To call a fast for a hundred years, please, don't call me, I'll call you. Lol
1)IMHO, the use of the Latin "Co-Redemptrix" not only accurately describes the concept but is also a "red flag" that indicates to the reader that it may not mean what its English counterpart would allude. In second place would be "Co-Redemptoress" as used in the title of the earlier article. This at least, alludes to a subordinate status, but the prefix can be misleading. Is it Latin or is it English. Third place, which should never be used, IMHO, is "Co-Redeemer." It is way too English. Sounds like equal to the Redeemer, which is not what Co-Redemptrix even remotely means.
2)There is no value in mis-communicating, that is why the Latin is used, so that there is a precise definition.
3)No. As in # 2, to give a precise definition to avoid confusion.
If all this means is "submission" Why not simply call her "an obedient and key servant of God of extraordinary faith?"
Three reasons. 1)What you said above is a mouthful. :) We human beings like to say and write our thoughts in the simplest and shortest form possible, because it is practical. We don't say, for instance, "I need two acetylsalicylic acid tablets," rather we say, "I need two aspirin." So we come up with words that shorten a longer definition.
2) Your definition above, though an accurate description of Mary, is rather broad in its meaning. Co-Redemptrix describes one facet of Mary, just as Co-Mediatrix describes another facet of Mary, and so on. As an example, take my screen name. It describes two facets about me, that I am of the male gender and I "play" the pipeorgan, but it doesn't inform anyone what kind of work I do, the color of my hair, etc.
3.) Your definition could be used to describe any "good and faithful servant." [I assume you are describing me.:)] Seriously though, could this not apply to say Billy Graham? Is he not obedient to God, have an extraordinary faith and isn't he a key servant of God?
So, IMHO, it is necessary to have precise terms to avoid, any resulting confusion. The key with precise terms, as with any word, is knowing the proper definition.
Sorry, we can't even agree on that, Caddy never made a truck, GMC (Jimmy) was there top line truck, and now they have began making an ATV, but no trucks.
So it seems you can't tie Mary into divinity even if you let her drive a truck. Lol
No Mary. No Jesus. No salvation. She did and has a role in our salvation.
OK, so why am I so confused now?..... Don't answer that. Lol (*g*)
I was taught we were made in the image and likeness of God. We were also taught that our purpose on earth was to know,love and serve God in this world so that we could live forever with Him in heaven. Made sense when I was little, makes sense now. Its a lifelong journey and scripture is a huge part of it but its not all there is.
After all most of us can remember our great Bible reading president,since he was prez until this year. And how he could interpret.Now please understand that with some of the Catholics they're putting out these days we just might find the same kind of slickster Catholic politician interpreting the Bible similarly. However,we can show in the official documents and the Canons and the Catechism that it is not Catholic teaching. We can also hope that in a reasonable amount of time the Church could excommunicate him for publicly spouting heresy as Catholic truth. Thats just one of the reasons that I am a committed Catholic.
And no, I don't know how Kennedy and Biden and Daschle slip around. I think they use the "I myself would never have an abortion but its the law of the land" kinda crap. I think its particularly bold of them to say,given their maleness,don't you?
Sara, please explain what this means.
Gosh, it sure is fortunate then that God established the means of achieving forgiveness of sin right there in the Law itself. Of course God knew people would mess up. Which is why he established the Day of Atonement, among other things.
Well, that makes sense, seeing that he was/is an angel. OK, one more thing for the list.
My almost-four year old son is a huge baseball and Yankees fan. Has been since 1999 when he watched his first World Series with me. Derek Jeter is his favorite player; he has a poster of him on his bedroom wall. His whole room is decorated in a baseball theme.
I'm more of a National League guy myself, but I find myself rooting for the Yankees because I really like the team that they have. They are consummate professionals, and they do all the little things that make baseball fun to watch. They don't live and die by the home run ball. I have a great deal of respect for Joe Torre.
Should be an interesting World Series. Schilling is one helluva pitcher. Arizona would be smart to shorten the rotation and let Schilling pitch games 1, 4 and 7. Figure that Johnson will pitch two of the remaining games, and Arizona has a better chance than anyone else to beat the Yankees. Any predictions on the outcome? I think it goes at least 6 games, but the Yankees win.
I'm sure the Amchurch Catholics deny the existence of Satan, but their numbers are not that great. I'd guess that it would be closer to the exact opposite. I also doubt the number given for Baptists.
You wrote: Again we see the Protestant individualism. "I could have learned it from someone else in authority, but it wouldn't be as much fun." And we know that having rewarding personal feelings is the goal.
From this I assume you have not enjoyed a personal relationship with God, in which He teaches you? Your mockery of the Holy Spirit's work in my (or anyone else's) heart and mind is sad, Dave. Why does God "send forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts" (Gal. 4:6)? Is He in yours? If so, how do you know? God bless you, SD : )
Well, its at least possible that it is a bad survey. I note it was done by a 'charismatic' magazine. Not surprisingly, 'charismatics' score the highest on their survey for 'biblical accuracy'. Would you believe a survey put out by a Catholic publication which reported that Catholics had the highest level of 'biblical accuracy'? Don't you find it the least bit suspicious that 45% of Baptists supposedly think Jesus sinned, or that 43% of Baptists apparently think that works can get them into Heaven?
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