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To: JohnnyM
You fail to see that we are all sinners, that no one can fulfill the Law.

Gosh, it sure is fortunate then that God established the means of achieving forgiveness of sin right there in the Law itself. Of course God knew people would mess up. Which is why he established the Day of Atonement, among other things.

2,075 posted on 10/22/2001 8:49:39 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
Lev 23:27
"Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD."

A couple things. First off notice that the Day of Atonement is an offering made by fire (sacrifice) unto the Lord, but the Jews no longer perform sacrifices as atonement. Is this not clearly against the Law of God???

Secondly, as you mentioned this method is an imperfect means of atonement, but Christ is the perfect means. He who had no sin, became sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God. His blood has cleansed us from all sin. His sacrifice was perfect. So there is no longer any need to make additional sacrifices for our sin, because He was the perfect sacrifice for all time.

Heb 9:13-22:
"For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, ""THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU.'' And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Heb 10:1-14
"For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, ""SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME; IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE. ""THEN I SAID, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.''' After saying above, ""SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them'' (which are offered according to the Law), then He said, ""BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL.'' He takes away the first in order to establish the second. By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

So Jesus is the perfect sacrifice. There is no need for a Day of Atonement, because through the blood of Jesus we have been atoned for all time. Since you are a jew and you don't beleive that Jesus is the Messiah, then this probably means little to you, so I ask you, how can you atone for sin without the shedding of blood, without a sacrifice to God? I have the sacrifice of Christ that atones for my sins. I am clean under the Law, are you??

JM
2,109 posted on 10/23/2001 6:29:00 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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