How many preaching pacifism would accept life as a conquered people?

Union Leader ^ | Oct 04, 2001 | Michael Kelly

[dighton]

A humanitarian is always a hypocrite, and Kipling's understanding of this is perhaps the central secret of his power to create telling phrases. It would be difficult to hit off the one-eyed pacifism of the English in fewer words than in the phrase, "making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep." ... He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilised while other men, inevitably less civilised, are there to guard and feed them.

-- Orwell, Rudyard Kipling.

[FITZ]

Not only are they the gun grabers, they are the eco terrorist, and pro-abortion baby killers.

Yes either way the pacifists should be easy to defeat. If they are sincere, they've given up their guns, don't use transportation that uses oil products (so they walk or ride bikes so are very limited in where they can go), and they wouldn't fight back anyhow so it's okay whatever someone does to them. If they aren't sincere then they don't deserve to use a pacifism label to further their communist agenda and can be seen as the enemies of the US that they really are.

[70times7]

From "Dear Tabby" (not G.Mason):"Let's roll...over laughing. We already are a conquered people. We pay half our income in taxes -- we can't even speak freely on "Free" Republic, a private forum! What a joke. Anybody here vote for affirmative action? For "hate" crimes? For open borders? For $100 billion to Israel? Yeah, we're free all right. Free to agree with the going Big Lie, and that's about it. Be careful morons, "loose lips sink ships." I can just picture Osama out there now, wiping his ass with his left hand, tapping his palm pilot with his right so he can get the latest military secrets from Free Republic jackasses. Yes, by "jackass" I do mean you reading this. In what sense are you free, moron? You aren't -- you don't have any idea what freedom is."

I do hope one day to leave my pathetic mire of intellectual vacancy and rise to your godlike lofty heights of half-thoughts combined with venomous cynicism. please... PLEASE!!! Your staggering intellect is our only hope! HELP US ALL!!!

[William Terrell]

How do you attach legitimacy and desirability to an idea? You slip the anti-idea in as advocated by a hated group.

Globalism. This article has some razor edges hidden with honey.

[70times7]

I almost forgot... please see #44, above.

(I'll try to do better next time. After all, I AM a moron)...or would that be a Slave moron of our imperialist state... I'm just so confused!

[spunkets]

"How many pacifists would be willing to accept the logical outcome of their creed of nonviolence even in face of attack — life as a conquered people? Not many, I would think."

The author doesn't know the pacifists very well. They love submission and misery. It's their handlers that don't.

[wjcsux]

I don't think these clowns are really pacifists. I believe they are really and sincerely hell bent on destroying the USA. I believe they will use any means to accomplish this task. I believe they use these "peace marches" and other nonsense to undermine our credibility, and to plant seeds of doubt in the minds of the weak among us. I believe if the truth be known, they would do ANYTHING, including killing of innocent people, to accomplish this task. With these people, the end justifies the means. Any weapon, even the appearance of pacifism to undermine national morale, is fair game.

[medusa]

Do they wish to live in a United States that has been defeated by any foreign force? Do they wish to live under an occupying power?

The author ought to choose his words more carefully. Who exactly is occupying whom? Where are those Muslim bases? Troops? And where are ours? If he wants to know how people like to live under an occupying power, he ought to ask the Middle East.

[Darksheare]

The author of the article should have given an example of life under the rule of the Taliban or the Baath(less) Party. For example, if your daughter just happens to catch the eye of one of the forces of occupation, she can look forward to: A full night of gang rape and torture, and if she's lucky, they'll shoot her in the head before dawn. If not, they'll slit her throat and let the vultures pick at her.
If your wife happens to be outside alone she can look forward to: Being shot on sight, or kidnapped and raped/tortured/forced into slavery etc..etc..etc.
I'm wondering how many pacifists would willingly accept having their wives and daughters turned into the whores of an occupation force.. and seeing that the 'norm' over there is forced homosexual sex, even their sons too. And lets not forget the castrati that the Taliban has created.

[George Smiley]

There's another one attributed to Orwell that I'm trying to authenticate:

He is supposed to have said that there were some ideas that were so stupid that only an intellectual could believe them.

Regards,
GS

Oh, and welcome back.

[ThomasMore]

True pacifism is a rarity. The way to sort out these leftist/socialist scum is to say; all pro-choicers to the left and all pro-lifers to the right. The numbers to the right might now be counted on one hand.

[Benoit Baldwin]

>OK, I'll bite. I looked up "bellicism," possible roots, 
>and variant spellings in two different dictionaries and 
>found nothing. What the hell does it mean? 

It is not a word in common usage.

It is, however, a word--the Linguistically Correct and precise antonym of pacifism.

[homeschool mama]

Anybody see the debate between Bill O'Reilly and Phil Donohue? Phil is anti-war and showed himself to be a complete idiot. Bill presented himself logically and with great reason.

It may be safe to say that those pacifist folks are really apathetic to the safety and needs of this great land.

imho

[homeschool mama]

Oh heavens! Those *ilk* have their head in the sand chanting *can't we all just get along*? I'm convinced they have no reasoning ability.

But when confronted with losing their freedoms or lives they'd run behind the big man with a gun pleading for protection.

[homeschool mama]

You bring up an interesting point, TM.

Those who preach their anti-war rhetoric are most assuradely pro-choice. It seems odd they don't want death for enemies but they DO want death for the innocent. Hmmmm....

[babyfreep]

Yeah, sort of reminds me of what my husband told me (think he read it on FR) where the elite liberal couple moves into one of those upstairs studio apts. "in the ghetto", expecting to "mix" well with the locals.
Upon moving in, much of their stuff is left stupidly unattended at different times on the street. Of course, it disappears and they are flabbergasted.
("What's up???? You can't steal from us. Don't you know we're one of you guys???")