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Rational Thinking about Islam by an Ex-Believer
Rational Thinking ^ | October 2000 | Ali Sina

Posted on 09/19/2001 5:49:12 AM PDT by FR_addict

Rational Thinking explores Islam, Quran and Muhammad’s claim to prophethood.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal

A thorough study of Quran and Hadiths reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of Muslims. Islam as it is taught in Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of intolerance, inequality, violence, discrimination, superstition, fanaticism, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of the minorities and women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers and the dissidents. Apostasy in Islam is the biggest crime, punishable by death. Muhammad was a fundamentalist himself therefore fundamentalism cannot be separated from true Islam. Islam, which means submission, demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his Allah, a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I reject Islam a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b) because of the absurdities in Quran.

a) Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship with Aisha a 9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans, his burning of the palm plantations, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies and his revenge on his captured prisoners of war disqualify him as a decent human being let alone the messenger of God

b) An unbiased study of Quran shows that far from being a “miracle” that book is a hoax. Once Quran is scrutinized with rational thinking, almost every sentence proves to be false. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities and grammatical errors. Could possibly the author of this Universe be as ignorant as it appears to be in Quran?

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34). “As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four views and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many “captive” women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.

This site scrutinizes Islam with Rational Thinking. It rejects time-honored beliefs that cannot stand the probing of reason. It asks questions and encourages independent thinking. It promotes unity of humankind, equality between men and women, abolition of prejudices and freedom from dogmatism and blind faith.

In a world that has become so technologically advanced that even the poorest nations that cannot feed themselves boast having sophisticated nuclear and biological weapons, small misunderstandings can cause catastrophic results. Religion has always been the biggest source of misunderstanding. For religion, people are ready to die, kill and destroy everything else. Only a religious person would believe that he would go to paradise if he kills other human beings. Only a religious person has no regards for the lives he destroys because their faith is not right.

In the past century Islamic fundamentalism has been on the rise, and with that terrorisms, revolutions, and upheavals ensued. Millions of lives were lost and still counting. Let us pause for a moment and take a second look at Islam. We may just have made a mistake.

The reason I think Islam is harmful and must go is not due to the fact that Quran says Earth is flat or the stars are missiles that Allah fires at the jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop the conversation of the exalted assembly. These tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing the non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights. Islam must go not because it is false but because it is destructive, because it is a danger; a threat to peace and security of humankind. With the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Islamic countries, Islam has become a serious and a real threat to the survival of our species.

Ali Sina

October 2000


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Read it straight out of the Quran, lots of links to Quran verses, lots of articles, and related links.
1 posted on 09/19/2001 5:49:12 AM PDT by FR_addict (m.hinton@verizon.net)
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To: FR_addict
I was reading some parts of an English translation of the Quran. It's a bit frightening, esp. the parts about the holy war.
2 posted on 09/19/2001 5:54:56 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: FR_addict
bump for later.

Too many of Islam's subjects are foeced into it with out he notion of free will, i.e., believe it or else!

3 posted on 09/19/2001 5:55:23 AM PDT by oyez
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I have always thought that Islam was a state of mentality that uneducated people follow. Kinda of like church for trailer trash.
4 posted on 09/19/2001 5:55:37 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: FR_addict
There are several websites that say the same thing about the Bible (gays and witches must be killed, etc). Just because the Bible says gays must die doesn't mean Christians will kill them. People are not robots although you can always find people to kill in the name of [fill in the blank]. We recently had two guys die for marijuana.
5 posted on 09/19/2001 5:57:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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But Appy, you must admit, the new testament does not say this, that is the advocating of killing of gays. And, too, Jesus lived an exemplary life. On another thread an article was quoted wherein the author said when discussing religion and defending it always ask for "just the facts, ma'am." If the facts of the religion say one thing, but a member of the religion invokes the religion and does an evil thing, that is a relflection of the individual. On the other hand, if the religion actually espouses evil acts, as a basic part of its tenets, it must be considered in light of that. V's wife.
6 posted on 09/19/2001 6:07:13 AM PDT by ventana
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To: FR_addict
I'm not saying I disagree, but I got a post pulled from FR just last night that quoted the Koran on Allah's alleged aversion to yawning, and preference for sneezing. So be careful--evidently using the Muslims own texts is forbidden just now.
7 posted on 09/19/2001 6:08:04 AM PDT by Temple Drake
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To: ventana
Whether it does or doesn't is irrelevant to the people desparate to smear Christianity.
8 posted on 09/19/2001 6:10:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
You got that right Pappy.
9 posted on 09/19/2001 6:17:03 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: ventana
By their fruits ye shall know them.
10 posted on 09/19/2001 6:21:39 AM PDT by Jeff F
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To: FR_addict
Intersting site, but when you get to the part about Muhammed being possesed, the author goes into a rant aganst creationists!
11 posted on 09/19/2001 6:21:42 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: FR_addict
Hmm.. I have bookmarked this, and am digging through my digital copy of the Qu'ran to check this out. I agree generally with the assessments on Islam here, but disagree with the author's assertion that religion is to blame for all of the murder in the world (Stalin, after all, didn't need any religion but "Marxism" to murder 26 million Russians..), when it's clear that Human Nature is perfectly capable of doing evil without the help of "religion". It is my humble opinion that the author is misguided in this respect.

Based on my earlier readings of the Qu'ran, I've seen Christians and Jews referred to as fellow believers in the One True G-d (Allah), and that they are to be considered as part of the group of "Believers" (wherever you see that catchword, think "Judeo-Christians + Muslims"). Perhaps my assumptions are incorrect...

Are there any Freepers out there with in-depth study of the Qu'ran who can shed some light here?

:) ttt

12 posted on 09/19/2001 6:24:59 AM PDT by detsaoT (Toaster T. Toaster)
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But Appy, you must admit, the new testament does not say this, that is the advocating of killing of gays.

In fact, the Old Testament does not advocate the killing of gays by individuals. It does advocate making homosexuality a capital offense for a theocratic government. Ditto adultery. That's why (IMO) Jesus stopped the crowd from stoning the woman found in adultery. They were not members of the government and had not followed due process. The woman had not been subject to trial nor given an opportunity to defend herself, let alone repent.

The misapplication of G-d's word to the Jewish Government as G-d's word to the believer causes no end of grief.

Shalom.

13 posted on 09/19/2001 6:30:29 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Good points.
14 posted on 09/19/2001 6:42:52 AM PDT by ventana
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To: FR_addict
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal

Well, he should have added ideology, particularly leftist assumed ideology. But I guess ideology as a word did not exist in Pascal's time.

15 posted on 09/19/2001 6:43:33 AM PDT by lavaroise
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Islam must go not because it is false but because it is destructive...

Exactly. Countless other religions are also false, but do not threaten anyone.

16 posted on 09/19/2001 6:49:36 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: FR_addict
We need to call it for what it is. Cult(klt) n. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. The followers of such a religion or sect.
17 posted on 09/19/2001 7:22:09 AM PDT by miniver-cheevey
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To: AppyPappy
I was just thinking the same thing. The New Testiment also pretty much seems to suggest that no other religions but Christianity are worthwhile, and non-believers go to hell. Christianity had it's own Crusades and Inquisitions centuries ago. They grew and learn and changed, and you don't see that sort of thing anymore, really.

Unfortunately, it seems to be Islams turn...what a bitch they had to go completely nutso in an age of airplanes, guns and nuclear bombs :(
18 posted on 09/19/2001 7:23:15 AM PDT by WyldKard
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I always thought of Islam as a religion more like Buddhism.

I never dreamed that the leader was a pedophile, slave holder, torturor, warrior, etc.

My Christian faith is not as strong as I would like, but when you compare the leaders of these two religions, it makes me believe more than ever in Jesus and his teachings.

I don't believe we should ignore the teachings of their leader.

I am sure there are many Moslems that don't advocate in the terrorist tactics of the last few days, but we should be aware of the tenets of this religion. I am hoping that some of these Moslems re-evaluate their faith in this religion.

I have friends that are Moslems, but I plan to follow Reagan's excellent advice: "Trust but Verify".

19 posted on 09/19/2001 8:00:35 AM PDT by FR_addict
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By comparison, the Old Testament accepts the virtually equal existence of non-Jews. They were governed within the Jewish nation by the Noahide Laws which are seven commandments similar to the Ten Commandments. The major differences are 1) that non-Jews are not required to worship the Jewish God, and 2) they are not to blaspheme God.
20 posted on 09/19/2001 8:01:56 AM PDT by Magician
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