Scripture Fulfilled: Rev. 17 & 18 Predicted the NY Attacks!

Revelation 17, 18 | September 15, 2001 | Hebrews 11:6

[Dave S]

Your nuts! If Revelations is true phrophecy at all, its predictions were for the first century Jews, not 21st century Americans.

Those who look for predictions in Revelations are just as dim witted as those who seek such knowledge from the quatrains of Nostradamus or the Mayan Calendar.

Revelations is a story meant to convey a spiritual message. It's not a step by step prediction of historical fact.

Babylon was first century Rome, not New York City.

[WalterSkinner]

This kind of outrageous stuff makes people scoff at the things of God and the Bible.
Stick with Spiderman comics until you learn proper hermeneutics.

[xzins]

Your brain must be somewhere where the sun doesn't shine

Isn't everyone's?

Is yours outside your skull?

Gal, please don't tell me you agree that the WTC Towers are predicted in Rev 17 & 18. I can't bear it. You've been so smart on so many other threads.

[alaskanfan]

I've never seen any reference in the bible to the WTC or the pentagon.

[DreamWeaver]

Extra bonus for Freepers: God waited until W was settled in office before allowing this. Just think if Clinton were President....

I'm even afraid to contemplate how bad it would be if Clinton was Pres.

[Buchanan4prez]

Some good points to keep in mind but it could be a foreshadowing of what is to become of NYC. I saw the same correlation myself with Rev. 18 but I do agree with Falwell and Robertson that it appears that God has taken away His protection. I realize that this is not something we want to hear in America but we need to hear it. God will not heal our land until we toss out the degenerates that have kicked Him out. Time to clear out the money changers and take back America for God and Americans.

[Tex-Con-Man]

7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, 7 Plagues, and 7 Bowls

Could I order those in a sandstone to match the kitchen?

[troublesome creek]

It also wouldn't hurt for some to notice that there is not an "s" on the end of the word Revelation. One easy way to confirm this would be for posters to actually crack the cover of the Book and look for themselves - but, again, that's probably too much trouble for some.

[2sheep]

>>>4. WHAT IT ALL MEANS
The 28 judgments described in Revelation 6-16 have a specific purpose: to warn people that this is their last chance to turn to God before the end. Many will finally do so.

You are right, of course, but most [polus] will not repent because they are tightening their seatbelt for the ride down the broad way to destruction, having believed the lies of the false prophets and Nicolaitan overlords.  So many refuse to hear and have been given over to believe a lie.  So many say they are Christians but are really Secular Humanists rejecting every sign the Lord has sent and tearing out every piece of truth from their Bibles that they choose not to agree with.  They have departed the faith in Unbelief and think they are under Grace...but doeth ought presumptuously, a sin unto death. (Num 15:30)

Good article at the top...a real pearl.

[Sueann]

Sorry, Babylon IS NOT THE UNITED STATES - Babylon is Iran (and all the other muslim nations). But if Babylon is going to be crushed (according to the Book of Revelation) - that is a wonderful prophecy that the United States will be very successful in their campaign to rid the world of terrorism.

[2sheep]

The falling of the towers of Babel/Babylon was certainly a picture of Rev. 18 and it was the Will of God.  He has given the same message through many of his people for years in prophecies that it was coming (click here) but people did not have ears to hear because they chose to love the world and the things of the world and say they were Christians when the Lord said Ye CANNOT serve two masters.  They have chosen to believe false doctrines, false prophets and false leaders who are blind leaders of the blind.  The falling of the towers of Babylon is also just the beginning because Jezebel is being given a space to repent which I believe is a short time:

Re 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

That does not mean to depend upon a Sinner's Prayer said long ago followed by continuing to walk in sin.  It means hear Him and do what He says.

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; :16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

Read all of Deut. Ch. 28.  He raises up the enemies of God's people to bring judgment on them when they refuse to obey Him.  Read also Jer. 50 & 51 and Is. 13 and Lev. 26:14-32.  Rev 18 says "Come out..."  The Lord is going to "utterly destroy" (charam) everything not "utterly devoted" (charam) to Him!  We could do a discussion of Hot, Cold and Lukewarm, however, after yesterday, there should be no Lukewarm left in the land.  Charam is from Jer 50 & 51 and means "destroy her utterly," "utterly destroyed" ... and elsewhere it means "utterly devoted" ... presenting a choice.

2763. charam
charam khaw-ram'
a primitive root; to seclude; specifically (by a ban) to devote to religious uses (especially destruction); physical and reflexive, to be blunt as to the nose:--make accursed, consecrate, (utterly) destroy, devote, forfeit, have a flat nose, utterly (slay, make away).

If that makes anyone afraid, it should instill a fear of the Lord which is the beginning:   Pr 9:10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. If anyone still thinks, "This cannot happen to me," then that person does not yet have a fear of the Lord or a knowledge of His will or of the Holy.

The Word of the Lord given through Scott Hofstee Sept. 3, 2001

The Word of the Lord to America

The Word of the Lord given through His servant Scott Hofstee
September 3, 2001

"So says the Lord of the Earth, this day.  The judgment that I have foretold of through My servants the prophets, is at the doorstep.  The devastation, the mourning, the death and destruction is at hand.  To the nations of the Earth I say, the day of My fierce anger is upon you,  behold what I do.  I will begin on the coasts of your lands, the gateways to your nations with cataclysmic events, the like of which has yet to be witnessed by this generation or any other.  I AM coming to the seats of power with a message of repentance the Earth has never heard before.  I will use these final days prior to My appearance to all, to press out the wine from the grape, to gather the wheat from earth and  separate and burn off the tares with unquenchable fire.  The beginning of the days of My final plea with mankind are at hand.  The striving with the powerful and mighty, who have thought higher of themselves than they should have, is here.

To the city of New York, I say, the madness of your city shall be revealed in a moment of time.  The markets of self-adulation and self-exaltation are about to be shattered.  I have sent messenger after messenger to warn you of these events, to call your people to repentance before I crush your markets with the fist of My mighty hand and yet you go on as though there will be a day of recovery and restoration to the glory of your past.  I tell you this day, what is past is past, what is to come, is at the doorstep and about to come crashing through in a moment of time.  One day you will be at ease, the next, people will be killing themselves and killing each other in response to the Rock falling on the tables of your money changers and turning them to powder.  The cry will be deafening but all that will be saved will be the souls of those who fall on their knees and repent before the Holy One of Israel.  The fire will burn up all that is temporal and of this earth but that which is eternal will survive.  Take heed New York, I will crush that lady that you have exalted above Me and drown her before your very eyes.  I will have no other gods before Me and you shall not make a graven image and worship it as God.  My fury is greater than you can imagine, My righteousness and justice purer than you can fathom.  You will encounter it when you meet the ones I send to dispense My judgments on you.

To the city of Washington D.C., I say, your might and power are about to ripped from you like a home ripped off its foundation in a mighty wind.  Your foundation is flawed, your leaders are liars and thieves and lovers of power and recognition.  Messages of judgment have been sent and not heeded, now I come with devastation and destruction.  The principalities of darkness that have been kept in check will no longer be restrained and will begin to unveil the most subtle evils and darkness the world has ever known.  Those who have not known Me will not be able to resist it.  It will make perfect sense to the carnal minded fools that have stored up treasures here on Earth and left their accounts in My Kingdom empty and unattended to.  The masses will flock to the deceptions like moths to a flame, only to be burned and destroyed.

To the president of this country I say, you have fooled many with your unassuming charms and easy going mannerisms but I see your heart and it is not toward My will.  It is toward yourself and your legacy, not My Kingdom.  Your house is ordained for destruction unless you fall on your face before Me and cry out as Abraham cried out in intercession for Sodom and Gomorrah.  Your ideas are vanity, your pride has ordained you for a fall and I AM coming to bring it to you unless you repent.  Your place and position cannot be saved, your great city cannot be spared but your soul can saved as though by fire, so says the Holy One of Israel.  To the leaders of the governments of this nation I say, when most of you read this, it will have already happened, the destruction and demolition of your seats of power and authority will be gone and you will know that all those crazy men and women whom I sent to you, were the sane ones, the ones who had indeed heard My voice and had carried the burden of the Lord to you.  You will look upon these words and others and know that My heart was toward you and that it wasn’t willing that any would perish but you in your pride and arrogance could not receive instruction from these messengers.  They didn’t look right, they didn’t sound right, they didn’t go through the proper channels.  You will mourn the day you scorned these and you will know that I reached out to you many times before I brought My perfect justice and government to you and your people.  So says the Lord of the Earth.

To the city of Los Angeles, I say, your glamour and beauty are a ruse.  I see right through the glitter and pomp of your appearance.  You have housed the filth of the fornications of all generations within your walls and have turned your eyes to it as My daughters and sons have been ravaged by the purveyors of all the imaginable filth of this world’s nakedness.  You call yourself the city of angels but your messengers have been the messengers of your father the devil, the chief of fallen angels.  You have spread your whoredoms on every shore of this earth and I AM coming to pull up your skirt and make you a shame before the people of the earth.  When I AM done the people of the earth will burn with a passion to see your destruction and a fervor to rid the earth of the plague that you have become to its people.  Your doomed, I have spoken it says the Lord of Hosts.  I call to those with ears to hear to flee the walls of this abominable place while there is yet time, for I will burn this place with unquenchable fire.  So says the Lord of Hosts.

To the cities of Seattle and San Francisco, I say, you are as Sodom and Gomorrah before Me.  Twin cities of lust, greed, perversion and sorcery.  I AM about to rain down fire and brimstone on you both in a way that has never been seen with human eyes.  The abominations that have gone on behind the walls of your cities are the works of the most vile spirits the world has ever known and yet you applaud these works with admiration and recognition.  You will be left as ashes as an act of mercy toward this world.  For to allow your continued existence would be to allow a plague of unimaginable evil to continue unabated on the innocent of this earth.  I have been long suffering toward you, I have sent you messengers time and time again who have foretold your doom and you have mocked and scoffed and killed these messengers.  Now I tell you, the day that was foretold of you is here.  The doom of your end is upon you.  To those whom have ears to hear, I say, flee the walls of these places.  I will guide you with My messengers, if you will but heed the Word of the Lord.  If you do not, you will suffer the same fate that awaits those who have loved these cities and their abominations.  So says the Great I AM.

To the people of this nation called America, I say, you have thought you were exempt from what is to come, you have seen these things in other places but now they are coming to your shores.  You don’t have the leaders to guide you through these storms, you don’t have the foundations necessary to bear the weight of the truth that is coming to you.  Your shepherds have preached to you lies in My name, telling of an escape of the things that are to come to this world.  They have spoken of an inheritance that is never fought for, never paid for and never existed in My Kingdom.  Those who will rule and reign with Me will be those who have overcome by the Word of their testimony and the blood of the Lamb.  They will be those who did not love their lives unto death.  They will be those who forsook the delicacies of this world in order to gain the knowledge of Me.  To be an overcomer will require that you know Me and die to the natural life of this world.  Hate the evil that reigns here and no longer turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the weak and forsaken of this world.  You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul.  You must forsake this world and enter into My world, which is world of righteousness, joy and peace in the Most Holy Spirit.

I AM coming with a heavy hand against the shepherds that have led My sheep astray with half truths and the doctrines of men.  You have loved your denominations more than you have loved Me.  You have loved your salaries and accolades more than you have loved My truth.  Your hearts have failed you for fear because you have not had the heart of the Good Shepherd.  Your days of repentance will be sorrowful days, if indeed you do repent at all.  Many will flee to their father the devil and be exposed as the antichrists they have truly been all along.  This is what is to come America, this is a glimpse in part to warn you and prepare you.  Most of all, it is the Word of the Lord that will bear witness against you when these things suddenly happen and you ask why they did.  So says Jehovah, the creator of the whole Earth, the Holy One of Israel."

Lu 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

[aruanan]

That's a nice thought. It's pretty funny to hear so many people rant about the U.S. as being the focus of evil in the world when, for all the bad that there is in our society, the U.S. has been a greater force for good globally than just about any other nation in history (though both the Roman and British Empires had their good points).

[PeaceBeWithYou]

There are four distinct views as to how the book of Revelations can be interpreted as prophecy:
1) The Preterists view: This view is exclusivly in terms of it's first century(of the church)setting, and claims that most of its prophecies have already taken place.
2) The Historicist view: It describes a long chain of events from Patmos to the end of history.
3) The Futurists view: Most everything is to happen in the end times.
4)The Idealists view: Everything is symbolic of the timeless truths of good versus evil.

The style that Revelations is written in is known as apocolyptic. The word revelation is interchangable with the word apocolypse.

This is a highly symbolic kind of literature, penned at a time when the Roman authorities were starting to enforce the "cult of emperor worship". Taken in this historical context, the Preterist view makes the most sense and is the traditional interpretation. If, you however choose to ignore that the writter addresses the book to the seven churches in the province of Asia, then you can arrive at the other 3 interpretations.

The symbolism is used to obscure the message of warning that John(exiled to the isle of Patmos, a Roman penal colony)is sending to the churches of Asia Minor, to prepare them for the coming opposition and increasing hostility. The Babylon symbolism was a reference to the Roman Empire. The city on the seven hills is Rome.(described by Cicero, Virgil, and Martial)I read years ago that 666 can even be "decoded" into Nero Cesar ...etc.

A good commentary for each of the points of view is available and recommended, and the further you get from the traditional view, the more you have to contort the symbolism(and the context) to fit the interpretation.

[AMMON-CENTRIST]

Once again, you conservatives are being spoon fed "demonic pro-Americanism" like a little baby and took the bait like a fish. America IS IN prophecy!! You all need to realize the end is HERE!! REPENT!!! The Day of the Lord is at hand!!

[Prodigal Daughter]

People get so testy with this subject! Prophecy is definitely unfolding.

I read the link above provided by The Bard. Some of these answers came to mind as I read it:

Link says: It has been said that the United States is Babylon of Revelation 18. Recognizing that Babylon is a city, not a country, it is further qualified that the U.S. is represented by its financial center, New York City. We now see that in order to really link the description given to us in Chapter 18, we must further narrow Babylon down to a few specific office buildings, while overlooking the fact that trading has resumed, albeit without the full services of a few significant investment firms. But all of their data was backed up thanks to Y2K fear upgrades

Fears Grow for Global Economy

Link says: Verse 23 states that by the sorceries of this Babylon "were all nations deceived." In what way were all nations deceived?

Might be our greatest exports: entertainment, abortion, child pornography. We export entertainment most of which contains blasphemy, spiritual whoredom, fornication, bestiality, etc. Abortion: Planned Parenthood preys on poor countries and Planned Parenthood says they don't perform abortions, they just counsel women (wink, wink) and Christians continue shopping at stores that help fund Planned Parenthood. Trauma Ward in Vietnam

Link says: Verse 24: "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth." Does this describe New York or the U.S.A.? No, it does not.

The U.S. and many of its churches send "Christian" ambassadors like the National Council of Churches (how many millions of dollars did American churches contribute to NCC in the past years?) so that those "reverends" can enable dictators to continue oppressing and killing Christians with no impunity.

Christians shop at stores for cheap consumer goods from China without even pausing to think that most of those goods are through forced labour of Christians. A new very revolting trend is to walk into a Christian bookstore or Christian giftstore and find almost everything made in China.

The faces of persecution

I heard the bells on Christmas Day

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever; that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation is among possible events; that it may become probably by supernatural interference! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest. But it is impossible to be temperate and to pursue this subject through the various considerations of policy, of morals, of history natural and civil. We must be contented to hope they will force their way into everyone's mind. I think a change already perceptible since the origin of the present revolution. Thomas Jefferson

[st huckleberry]

babylon the great is fallen, fallen. english translation CONFUSION HAS IMPLODED. it is near finished ye blind folks. how much more clearly can it be displayed? blind and leaders of the blind? FINANCIAL CONFUSION, RELIGIOUS CONFUSION, POLITICAL CONFUSION. the end is now very much upon us. we are in the throes of birth pangs. you are all like a pack of filty foaming dogs. my friend should have known not to throw god's word before pigs and dogs. you will know monday though, will you not? when wall st opens? now go to your babylonian churches tomorrow and pray to your babylonian gods made of wood and stone, and offer your little bribes of babylonian money, and go to sleep knowing you have a long day monday. the choice was clearly put before all of you....MAMMON OR THE LORD. you choose MAMMON. you've chosen to worship the very moneysystem that has ravaged you, and all the world. your god is america. not the america that our founding fathers spoke of, but rather the fatness you chose to worship. they pointed to the creator and you made the fatness that came from your fathers' labors your god. you made the america of profit your god. america, your america, your land of CONFUSION must die. but the america that was pointed to by our founding fathers will not. as mr franklin said, "IF YOU CAN KEEP IT", and it has not been kept. now it will burn at the hands of whomever the lord so chooses to bring this judgement. then his kingdom will be established before all flesh is extinguished from the face of the earth, and we shall know what fools we all are. without faith it is impossible to be pleasing, for the comer to god must bleieve that he exists, and that reward is gained by his diligent seekers HEBREWS 11:6 mike g

[pankot]

If Klintoon were President he'd probably blame this on the Rush Limbaugh Republicans.

[Dan Day]

Darn it ... once again while composing my own reply I miss a really good disruptor post before it gets pulled.

Hehe -- I'm glad I'm not the only one who, when he sees a dozen flaming replies to a post that's already missing, thinks to himself, "damn, what'd I miss??"

[Stingray]

you are all like a pack of filty foaming dogs. my friend should have known not to throw god's word before pigs and dogs. you will know monday though, will you not?

st huckleberry

You'll forgive me if I don't take being called "dog" seriously from someone named "st huckleberry."

Where's Bobba Louie?

Perhaps you should consider a more stable for of hermeneutics and eschatology before you go off on rants like this.

[2sheep]

To the naysayers

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you think God loves you too much to let you suffer YOU HAVE BELIEVED A LIE and you do not KNOW Him, you do not UNDERSTAND His ways and you do not believe His acts even though you see them with your own eyes.  You are an UNBELIEVER even though you may think of yourself as a Christian, or a Jew.

It is precisely because God loves America that He has just given this nation a FINAL WARNING.  Look at what got smashed down, two HIGH PLACES erected to the god of mammon, and a place in WDC errected to the god of forces, the Pentagon.  What got hit hardest was the PRIDE of the nation and PRIDE was the sin of Sodom.  Americans are proud of their money and power and equate these with righteousness but God say, "If you call yourselves My people, act like it, and if you love Me, keep my commandments" but the U.S.S.C. just threw out the commandments of God on the anniversary of the day God gave them to Moses.  How stupid!

America has broken the first and greatest commandment and God has quite simply had enough of it.  Look, read this and begin to understand His ways, and look around to see His acts, if you can receive it.

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Le 26:14 (KJV) But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.
27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.
5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

Anyone who cannot see the hand of God in this attack upon America is a blind fool, wilfully blind and utterly deserving of what is coming down next.  The signs have been there for years.  Look at verse 17 for example "They that hate you shall reign over you".  Do you think the Clintons love you?  Fascist government; treason; anti-Christian government; homosexuality; abortion; polluted justice; the oppression of women and children; these are the fruits of a nominally Christian country which has BROKEN COVENANT with the Most High God.  REPENT America, REPENT Babylon America, REPENT Sodom America, REPENT! for The Day of the Lord is at Hand.