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The Debt Myth: “We Owe It to Ourselves”
Mises wire ^ | 10/14/2026 | Michael Matulef

Posted on 10/19/2026 1:13:01 PM PDT by aquila48

The Treasury Department released its August statement of receipts and outlays with all the ceremony the occasion deserved: none. No press conference, no address, just a PDF on a government website, the way a man slips a foreclosure notice under the door. Buried in Table 3 sits a number that would have been a scandal in any saner era: of every dollar Washington expects to collect in income taxes this year, forty-three cents will go to interest on the national debt. Not to pay it down. Just to carry it.

Run the arithmetic; Treasury prints it in plain sight. The full-year estimates call for $2.63 trillion in individual income taxes and $399 billion from corporations. Call it $3 trillion extracted from the productive economy. Against that stands $1.3 trillion in interest. Through August, the ratio ran higher still: nearly forty-five cents on the dollar. The full-year interest estimate exceeds the $914 billion budget estimate for Defense Department military programs. Interest now costs more than the Pentagon. Even after subtracting the interest the government owes itself, the rest still topped defense spending.

''''''' “We Owe It to Ourselves” The standard defense of this arrangement, a staple of mainstream economics since the 1940s, holds that the debt is no burden because “we owe it to ourselves.” Murray Rothbard spent a famous essay, “Repudiating the National Debt,” disposing of that phrase. It makes, he wrote, “an enormous amount of difference” whether, “slicing through the obfuscatory collective nouns,” you are a member of the “we” (the burdened taxpayer) or of the “ourselves” (those living off the proceeds). The bondholder lent Washington money and collects the interest; the taxpayer lent nothing and pays it. The government that borrowed the money is not the public on the hook for it. There is no “we” in Table 3. There are the people who pay, and the people who get paid.

A private borrower pledges his own house; if he cannot pay, his creditors cannot take yours. The state borrows on other terms: it signs the note, you guarantee it, yet the debt is called “ours.” Rothbard followed the logic to its end: repudiation. If the government contracted the debt and the public did not, let the government default, not the taxpayer. It shocks only because it takes the “we” seriously.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: debt; deficit; inflation
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Unbelievable - 45% of income taxes collected goes to pay interest on the federal debt... and growing each year!

How much longer will this house of cards last?

1 posted on 10/19/2026 1:13:01 PM PDT by aquila48
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2 posted on 10/19/2026 1:19:40 PM PDT by thegagline (If you hate Christians, Vote Talarico. Sic semper tyrannis! Zeldin for President )
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3 posted on 10/19/2026 1:21:15 PM PDT by tlozo (“Russia war-Either money today or blood tomorrow," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk)
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To: thegagline

The adults spent the money they did not have, youngsters will be stuck with the debt.


4 posted on 10/19/2026 1:26:06 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (Work is best form of worship to God.)
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To: aquila48

House collapses when we are no longer able to operate on credit. Don’t know if that is 50% debt to income or 200%.

Nobody can be elected anymore on an austerity platform. My guess is it collapses when we lose our economic or military leverage over the world. Crap on Trump all you want but he is the first president since Reagan working against those two things happening.


5 posted on 10/19/2026 1:29:23 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: tlozo

Medicare, medicaid, and social security is the trifecta of what is bankrupting the United States.


6 posted on 10/19/2026 2:14:05 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressivism was America's first Postliberal ideology. Ask me for details.)
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To: Bobbyvotes

It is no wonder Gen Z has turned out the way that it has.

They are the most debt ridden as well as the most indoctrinated generation of citizens in American history. <— Not a good combination.


7 posted on 10/19/2026 2:16:36 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressivism was America's first Postliberal ideology. Ask me for details.)
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“Unbelievable - 45% of income taxes collected goes to pay interest on the federal debt... and growing each year!

How much longer will this house of cards last?”
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Probably another century or so, while competitor nations catch up and pass us economically.


8 posted on 10/19/2026 2:28:44 PM PDT by Bob Wills is still the king (Wake up and smell the coffee!)
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To: aquila48

No, it’s “Your grandkids are on the hook”.


9 posted on 10/19/2026 2:29:11 PM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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Medicare, medicaid, and social security is the trifecta of what is bankrupting the United States.

MedicareThe House, medicaid the Senate, and social security the President is the trifecta of what is bankrupting the United States.

10 posted on 10/19/2026 2:30:06 PM PDT by thegagline (If you hate Christians, Vote Talarico. Sic semper tyrannis! Zeldin for President )
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45% of income taxes collected goes to pay interest


It still beats living in Africa and paying no income tax.


11 posted on 10/19/2026 2:35:27 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ((Thinking Caps are no longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere))
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Our national infrastructure is taking the hit. Very little is being spent on it anymore.


12 posted on 10/19/2026 2:37:42 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: aquila48

It will happen slowly….then all at once.


13 posted on 10/19/2026 2:38:18 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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“We Owe It to Ourselves” Not precisely.

A lot has changed since Rothbard wrote that partially true statement. A good bit of our debt is owed to sovereign bond holders like China, Japan and a large part of Europe. Repudiating the debt would cause far more than a few ripples in international finance.


14 posted on 10/19/2026 2:40:26 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (You choose; a world without dogs or a world without muslims.)
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To: Bob Wills is still the king
Probably another century or so, while competitor nations catch up and pass us economically.

Russia is the only nation that I can see passing us economically.

If we fall, all of Europe will fall with us. Maybe Poland could survive if they repudiate the Euro.

The coming depression will make the 1930s look like a banquet.

15 posted on 10/19/2026 2:40:31 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminisheRs the human spirit.)
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It’s money we owe to ourselves.

So, if someone owes you $40 Trillion you must be rich!

See?


16 posted on 10/19/2026 2:42:13 PM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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Russia is very far behind the United States. Look at the gdp per capita.


17 posted on 10/19/2026 2:42:48 PM PDT by TTFX
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True

But they are not as burdened with debt and their welfare state is not as bloated.

They also have a vast country of unexplored resources not sequestered by a vast Green lobby that works to turn every mineral deposit into a National Monument.


18 posted on 10/19/2026 2:47:42 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminisheRs the human spirit.)
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To: aquila48

Folks,

Imagine we could pay off all that debt and have no interest. What would the people who have all that cash, do with the money?

Would you like an aspirin?


19 posted on 10/19/2026 2:49:18 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ((Thinking Caps are no longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere))
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To: tlozo

My 2 cents.

Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security are clearly heavy hitters. National Defense is also, but it is called out in the Constitution and it’s the reason we have a country.

Someone suggested that one only take out of social security, what you put into it. That would be a huge shock to someone who has already taken that money out. Maybe for people who will go on SS.

G.W. Bush recommended that people be allowed the freedom to take some of their SS payments and put it into the stock market. We’re talking about 12.5% compounded! Better late than never?

I put money into Medicare but never took any out. Maybe Medicare disbursements should be capped.

Medicaid should be gradually reduced.


20 posted on 10/19/2026 2:59:42 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Infidels of the world unite against the evil that is Islam.)
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