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Agents of Influence: The Pitiful Presidential Pollsters
Capital Research ^ | 11/11/24 | Ken Braun

Posted on 11/12/2024 10:27:15 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970

Every four years, presidential opinion polling reliably causes regime media to misplace their poop. But after the actual polling places close and report, the stenographer journalists generally don’t expose which—if any—of these influential prognosticators should be publicly grilled for fouling up.

A current exception proves the rule.

On the weekend before Election Day, pollster Ann Selzer unleashed an Iowa survey for the Des Moines Register purporting to show Kamala Harris leading Donald Trump by 3 points in a state Harris supposedly had no business winning. The “late shift toward Harris,” declared the Des Moines Register, was happening because of older women dumping Trump. An editorial page writer from the Arizona Republic warned the “sudden and potentially seismic” numbers “change the nature of the national race.” MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow spent 11 minutes gleefully promoting Selzer and calling her the “gold standard.” The liberal ladies of The View on ABC celebrated. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg X-posted “Iowa, you have shocked the nation.”

On it went, but Ms. GoldStandard™ missed the Iowa call by two touchdowns, plus a pair of two-point conversions. Trump won Iowa by 13 points, ran the table in the battleground states, and silenced Electoral College critics by winning a popular vote majority.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: election; polling; polls; pollster
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Lots of detail on how CNN, the NYT and others systemically gave wrong results favoring Dems. Keep in mind for future elections...
1 posted on 11/12/2024 10:27:15 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Where is the histograms of how all polling institutions reported thought out the last year so we can witness the fraud first hand


2 posted on 11/12/2024 10:28:55 AM PST by WeaslesRippedMyFlesh (I have zero tolerance and zero empathy for the left)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Good article.

We need a class action lawsuit against all these folks for gross negligence and malpractice.


3 posted on 11/12/2024 10:32:25 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Just before the election Disney bought 538. They removed the two honest polling orgs from the pool so they could manufacture a late surge for Harris which they did. This helped rat turnout if nothing else. Disney is probably the biggest single weapon the Dems have.


4 posted on 11/12/2024 10:33:07 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: EnderWiggin1970

A large group of people need to pay for all of the lies


5 posted on 11/12/2024 10:36:44 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to descalation of tho it for you.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

The customer is always right.....WHOEVER PAYS FOR THE POLL GETS THE RESULTS THEY WANT............


6 posted on 11/12/2024 10:37:17 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: WeaslesRippedMyFlesh

Venn Diagrams would be better...............🙄


7 posted on 11/12/2024 10:37:51 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: cgbg
We need a class action lawsuit against all these folks for gross negligence and malpractice.

Something severe needs to happen to ghem.

8 posted on 11/12/2024 10:39:01 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to descalation of tho it for you.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Who was the guy - played up as an expert - who kept saying on one of the MSM programs that never, in the history of polling, did pollsters make a polling error by over/under sampling in the same direction in three election cycles in a row?


9 posted on 11/12/2024 10:41:03 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Good point. In all three Trump elections, pollsters underestimated the actual vote for him.


10 posted on 11/12/2024 10:43:55 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: EnderWiggin1970

I’ve never understood the poll thing. Polls do not affect the way I vote. I vote based on the candidate and their policies and what they will do.

What the heck. A person sees the polls favor someone and so then they vote for that person? Or is it all about trying to influence the donors?


11 posted on 11/12/2024 10:44:17 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: EnderWiggin1970

I said 3 years ago Trump would KO the Democrats in a blowout win in 2024. I remained confident until the election.

Some people can read and understand the mood of the people. Some people need polls.


12 posted on 11/12/2024 10:44:51 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

On this issue, John Stewart speaks for me:

https://x.com/i/status/1855886599126446433


13 posted on 11/12/2024 10:45:10 AM PST by bigbob (Yes. We ARE going back!)
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To: cgbg

These pollsters don’t bother me.. I respect Baris and a few others - but mostly I ignore the polls and watch Trump’s demeanor - I could tell that he was confident..


14 posted on 11/12/2024 10:45:16 AM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

What is the agenda of the article?

“So, the “All the news that’s fit to print” newspaper failed to call the winner correctly in six of the seven battlegrounds.”

to discredit polling by main stream media. They are purveyors of fake news.


15 posted on 11/12/2024 10:47:34 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

“Polling” is not to inform, but to influence.

One might call these ‘products’ as bunk or even hokum.


16 posted on 11/12/2024 10:48:01 AM PST by ASOC (This space for rent)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

There’s a big difference between being a pollster and a water boy. Most pollsters and MSM did little to inform the public. Instead, they chose to carry the Biden/Harris water bucket.


17 posted on 11/12/2024 10:54:39 AM PST by econjack
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To: EnderWiggin1970
Any company or political organization who hires Selzer's company might as well burn their money in a pile. They'll at least get some warmth about of it.


18 posted on 11/12/2024 10:56:04 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

So the Democrat Selzer went flat. But the “experts” will be back in business for the next election.


19 posted on 11/12/2024 11:06:54 AM PST by csn vinnie
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To: ASOC

In light of these results, it’s interesting to note that in the predictions markets (where people bet on the outcome of the election) one fellow made $48M betting on Trump. It turns out he wasn’t a random dumb-luck billionaire; he actually commissioned and ran his own polls using a superior methodology, that showed him a blowout was coming. His method involved asking those polled “who are your neighbors voting for?” rather than asking them directly whom they were voting for, and it correctly indicated the eventual result.


20 posted on 11/12/2024 11:17:30 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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