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Shamir study supports century-old tired light theory, challenging big bang
Space Daily ^ | Sep 16, 2024 | Clarence Oxford

Posted on 09/17/2024 5:56:34 AM PDT by Salman

A recent study led by a Kansas State University engineer has provided evidence that supports the "Tired Light" theory, a century-old concept that challenges the widely accepted Big Bang theory.

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Shamir's findings align with the long-standing "Tired Light" theory, originally proposed in the 1920s.

"In the 1920s, Edwin Hubble and George Lemaitre discovered that the farther away a galaxy is, the faster it appears to move away from Earth," Shamir explained. "That discovery led to the Big Bang theory, which suggests that the universe began expanding approximately 13.8 billion years ago. Around the same time, astronomer Fritz Zwicky proposed that distant galaxies are not actually moving faster but that light photons lose energy as they travel through space."

Zwicky's theory suggests that as light travels, it loses energy, which creates the illusion that distant galaxies are moving away more quickly.

"The Tired Light theory was largely neglected as the Big Bang theory gained consensus," Shamir noted. "However, confidence in the Big Bang model started to wane after the James Webb Space Telescope provided deep images of the early universe. Instead of showing an infant universe, the images revealed large and mature galaxies. If the Big Bang occurred as previously thought, these galaxies would be older than the universe itself."

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"The results showed that galaxies rotating in the opposite direction relative to the Milky Way had lower redshifts compared to galaxies rotating in the same direction," Shamir said. "This difference reflects Earth's motion as it rotates with the Milky Way. The redshift difference increased as the distance of galaxies from Earth grew, in line with Zwicky's Tired Light theory."

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KEYWORDS: armchairphysicists; astronomy; bigbang; creation; edwardhubbel; edwinhubble; einstein; fritzzwicky; georgelemaitre; haltonarp; jameswebb; liorshamir; physics; quasars; science; space; stringtheory; telescope; theory; tiredlight; tiredlighttheory
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This would mean in infinitely old universe.
1 posted on 09/17/2024 5:56:34 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman; MtnClimber; SunkenCiv; mowowie; SuperLuminal; Cottonbay

Webb Ping!....................


2 posted on 09/17/2024 6:01:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Salman
But is this accordin' to Hoyle? /s
3 posted on 09/17/2024 6:07:40 AM PDT by PerConPat (The politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.- Mencken)
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To: Salman

Good. The “Big Bang” has always been trash.


4 posted on 09/17/2024 6:12:22 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Salman

The very idea of “The Big Bang” is ridiculous. I have thought so since I heard it as a child. It is far easier to believe in creation. (Which I believe)


5 posted on 09/17/2024 6:15:01 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: Salman

No, it would mean objects like distant galaxies are much closer than we think.
(because red shift is caused by light losing energy, not the fact that the universe is expanding away from itself at tremendous speeds).

It say nothing about the apparent age of the universe. That’s still a problem to explain.

But then, you have to explain something from nothing (ex Nilo) - which is a much bigger problem than age.


6 posted on 09/17/2024 6:15:56 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Salman

Consider the cosmic abundance of elements. An infinitely old universe would mean more heavy element atoms vs hydrogen and helium to say the least. Every atom would have been processed through an infinite number of stellar life cycles. Not buying it.

The theory of stellar nucleogenesis is pretty convincing explaining cosmic element frequency requiring a finite number of reprocessing through stars for the heavy elements. The feature of where the peaks and valleys are in the distribution makes it convincing, kind of like the shapes of the edges of continents made continental drift convincing.

It might mean everything everywhere being created at once but there is no such thing as all at one time in relativity different places inless those places are the same point in spacetime.


8 posted on 09/17/2024 6:28:29 AM PDT by takebackaustin
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I think they also have to explain why the photons slow down. There was a Newton law that would relate to that, i think. If it slows down because it is not in a vacuum, won’t that raise another problem? Space is not a vacuum, but some kind of fluid? I think i heard that one before, too.


9 posted on 09/17/2024 6:30:51 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: Salman
Okay, maybe there is something wrong with the Big Bang theory. But I will say this. Penny was quite attractive.

Oh, wait. I didn’t read the excerpt, as usual. We are talking about the TV show, right?

10 posted on 09/17/2024 6:31:39 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Salman
This would mean in infinitely old universe.

As far as the universe is concerned, there is no beginning, there is no end.

But, God came first, and created the beginning. The beginning is a puzzle to the granule-sized brain of humans. We are NOT CREATED IN HIS IMAGE, because if we had been, we would have had the answers from the start. We are to God what a worm is to humans, mental-ability-wise.

Thus, we are incapable of solving the mysteries of the universe. The big-bang is a bust. Tired-energy is what humans suffer from as they age.

We cannot compete with God for the answers. We can only reverse-engineer that which we can observe, from close-up, and even then, we get it all wrong (DNA/Chromosomes, for example).
11 posted on 09/17/2024 6:33:40 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: montag813

I suspect like most people you have been mislead by the erroneous appellation “big bang”. When Hoyle made the comment about a “big bang” in 1949 it was intended to contrast an expanding universe theory with his own steady-state theory. He did not mean for it to imply a literal explosion. The “Big Bang” theory describes the expansion of space, not an explosion occurring within preexisting space. In this model, all points in the universe are moving away from each other as space expands, meaning that there is no central point of explosion. The universe does not expand into anything; rather, space itself is expanding.


12 posted on 09/17/2024 6:38:06 AM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: Salman

Makes as much sense as “ mud in your tires” a la My Cousin Vinny.


13 posted on 09/17/2024 6:38:39 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Trump/Vance 2024 or GFY)
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To: Salman

14 posted on 09/17/2024 6:39:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: antidemoncrat

Stronk and factual rebuttal /s


15 posted on 09/17/2024 6:40:32 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: bk1000
The very idea of “The Big Bang” is ridiculous. I have thought so since I heard it as a child. It is far easier to believe in creation. (Which I believe)

Either way, you're obliged to believe in an uncaused cause. Which is why, I think, the atheists need to be a bit less smug.

16 posted on 09/17/2024 6:46:29 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Salman

I’ve been saying this for years — a simpler explanation than an expanding universe is that light loses energy as it crosses spacetime. All it would take is some sort of extremely weak (or rare) coupling to just about any quantum field. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that was what fueled the “buzzing” in the quantum foam.


17 posted on 09/17/2024 6:52:06 AM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

The photons wouldn’t slow down, they simply lose energy (which increases their wavelength). They would still move at the speed of light.


18 posted on 09/17/2024 6:53:15 AM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Which is why, I think, the atheists need to be a bit less smug.

Apparently, you’ve never met a Mormon.

19 posted on 09/17/2024 6:56:07 AM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Trump & Vance, 2024! (Formerly) Goldwater & Thomas Sowell in 2024)
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To: Salman
this is some great editing:

…the universe began expanding approximately 13.8 billion years ago. Around the same time, astronomer Fritz Zwicky proposed…

20 posted on 09/17/2024 6:56:11 AM PDT by takebackaustin
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