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1 posted on 08/19/2024 8:03:47 AM PDT by Twotone
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The Susquehanna Steam Electric Station outside of Berick, Pennsylvania, which generates 2.5 gigawatts of nuclear power

I only need 1.21 gigawatts....


2 posted on 08/19/2024 8:07:22 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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Article misspelled Berwick. Berwick had some great HS football teams over the years. As good as anyone in the country sometimes.


3 posted on 08/19/2024 8:11:13 AM PDT by FLNittany (Autotune is jealous of Karen Carpenter)
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They have the dough, let them build their own..................


4 posted on 08/19/2024 8:13:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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Maybe Kamalalaladingdong will now know the cloud is not a cloud in the sky.


6 posted on 08/19/2024 8:19:50 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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> This results in a “zero-emissions shell game,” Clark wrote in a white paper on the subject.

These people in charge of our energy supply suffer from Delusional Disorder, zero-emissions is an junk science term used to wrest control of the means of production from the private sector.

7 posted on 08/19/2024 8:19:51 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (The history of the present Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations ...)
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HQ in VA. ‘nuff said.


8 posted on 08/19/2024 8:21:01 AM PDT by xoxox
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WAIT A MINUTE!!! Priveate (as much as it is...) industry and capitalism will lead to energy production? GREEN energy production??? Say it ain’t so. Without a bureaucrat or “government investments” how can anything happen???


9 posted on 08/19/2024 8:26:34 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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Are “spent rods” still a disposal issue these days?


10 posted on 08/19/2024 8:29:37 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist! )
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If I understand this correctly the problem is there is a power plant that doesn’t share with the grid.

If that power plant can be forced to ‘share’ then the government can force me to connect my gas well produced electricity to the grid.


11 posted on 08/19/2024 8:41:35 AM PDT by Doctor Congo
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I have been screaming out the clarion call on this for at least year. The Nuclear Plant I work at has been going gangbuster developing the area around us for a data center, the plan is to direct all the power to the data center. This is a pretty serious commitment and the buyer has literally been paying forward millions of dollars just to prep the infrastructure for the sight, a company does not pump that kind of money into a project real intent!

I tell people expect to see their bills double or triple, imagine removing 1600 MW (1.6 GW) effectively overnight from the residential market. There is no replacement power planned for these transitions. All open market competition with no current regulation to ensure residential supplies.


12 posted on 08/19/2024 8:44:25 AM PDT by Skwor
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I’m wondering what a data center using 180 megawatts does. How many data streams is it running? How much energy goes into the switching and administration?

Is it one watt per stream, meaning 180 million streams? For a single datacenter? That’s wild and crazy!


13 posted on 08/19/2024 8:51:41 AM PDT by cymbeline (we saw men break out of a concentration camp.”)
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This is not really anything new. Amazon bought land next to the North Anna nuclear plant in Louisa County, Virginia and is going to build a $11 billion data center campus there and almost directly tap North Anna.


15 posted on 08/19/2024 9:01:57 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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China is building them a mobile platform. Where to dock it? Norfolk, maybe.


16 posted on 08/19/2024 9:03:15 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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Seems to me the two outside providers are just ticked off they didn’t get the opportunity to sell the power to Amazon.

I don’t think ‘they’ suffer any extra costs they wouldn’t have already because of the deal, and their claims don’t really seem to have ‘standing’ (i.e., not directly affected). If there is any complaint by customers ‘with’ standing whose costs/rates could be adversely affected, then they should work this.

Customers need to beware because I think the two outside providers, should they queer the deal and get ‘in’ on it, wouldn’t pass on any reductions to their customers.


17 posted on 08/19/2024 9:06:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Solution (long term): Build more nuclear power plants.


19 posted on 08/19/2024 10:14:38 AM PDT by glorgau
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Gee nuclear power or hydro power for the data centers and solar and wind for yhe us peons


20 posted on 08/19/2024 10:16:06 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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They do have a point about two things. One is every megawatt AWS buys directly from the baseload power source with a firm commitment is exactly the same as retiring that megawatt from the overall grid capacity factor. They want to buy it as r wholesale plant gate prices which for nukes can be as low as 1.8 cents per kwh. They also are at the literal plant gate so they use zero of the transmission infrastructure so the grid operator doesn’t get it’s transmission fee per kwh on every kWh transmitted over its grid that’s point two. So these kind of deals remove megawatts from the grid AND also those megawatts that would have flowed through the grid would’ve generated revenue for the grid operator who now has to source energy from another party and charge them the transmission fees.

The obvious solution is make AWS buy in front of the meter power at the going wholesale rates OR they can choose to build their own on-site nuclear reactors that are new capacity and never grid tied or tied only for import/export to the grid all in front of the meter so it’s a level field in the power market. This would force AWS and MS to go SMR or even full sized nukes in a big way since wholesale+ transmission fees is always going to be greater than on-site nuclear reactors it’s the capex of a billion dollar reactor that they want the ratepayers to pay then swoop in and get behind the meter plant gate access after the plant is built or get behind the meter at an existing plant already built out by rate payers that’s the unfair part and should be not legal. Make the big corps pay the capex of their huge energy consumption.


24 posted on 08/21/2024 12:49:57 AM PDT by GenXPolymath
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