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Trump immunity case: Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have substantial protection from prosecution
Fox News ^

Posted on 07/01/2024 7:48:23 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe

The Supreme Court ruled Monday in Trump v. United States that a former president has substantial immunity from prosecution for official acts committed while in office, but not for unofficial acts.

The Court sent the matter back down to a lower court, as the justices did not apply the ruling to whether or not former President Trump is immune from prosecution regarding actions related to efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breaking; djt; donaldtrump; jacksmith; maga; scotus; trump
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Sort of what a lot of people were predicting. This pushes Jack Smith's DC case out past the election, imho.
1 posted on 07/01/2024 7:48:23 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe

IMO it does more than that. presumption of immunity for outer perimeter executive action. Smith would have a mountain to climb to get past that one on this issue. Especially taken in concert with the obstruction decision Friday. IOW, stick up your backside Smith.


2 posted on 07/01/2024 7:50:35 AM PDT by Mouton (A 150MT hit may not solve our problems now but is a good start. )
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To: Tench_Coxe

I was really hoping the SCOTUS would go ahead drive a stake through the heart of this BS.


3 posted on 07/01/2024 7:51:35 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Tench_Coxe

6-3 ruling.


4 posted on 07/01/2024 7:52:05 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: Tench_Coxe

The JURY will decide if an act is official or not-official.

This will not help Trump with a DC jury.


5 posted on 07/01/2024 7:52:22 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Mouton

Justice Thomas in a concurring opinion questioned the validity of Smith’s appointment as special counsel.


6 posted on 07/01/2024 7:52:32 AM PDT by Deo volente ("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
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To: Mouton

It’s been a rough 7 days for the fascist bastards who rule us


7 posted on 07/01/2024 7:52:41 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (23 years on Free Republic, 12/10/23! More than 8,000 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: Tench_Coxe

‘absolute immunity for constitutional duties’

So, Trump’s J6 actions will be spun by Ds as “extra constitutional”, which might play in a DC court-—that’s my glass half empty perspective


8 posted on 07/01/2024 7:57:25 AM PDT by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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To: Mouton

He would enjoy that......................


9 posted on 07/01/2024 7:57:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Sucks....still puts Trump’a fate in the hands of the racist, Marxist Obama judge in D.C.


10 posted on 07/01/2024 8:06:35 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Fido969
The JURY will decide if an act is official or not-official.

The decision makes it a lot easier for a judge to exercise his or her discretion and dismiss the case before it is even heard. Even DC judges who would love to see Trump prosecuted don't want to get their hands slapped by a higher-court reversal. Probably doesn't make Trump completely immune to such cases but it does make it a whole lot harder for the DA to make a case and for any conviction to survive appeal.

11 posted on 07/01/2024 8:08:17 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Re-elect Donald Trump - AGAIN)
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“...The court sends the case back to the district court for it to determine other things, such as “whether a prosecution involving Trump’s attempts to influence the Vice President’s oversight of the certification proceeding in his capacity as President of the Senate would pose any dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch...”

Glass full for the lower Court to continue election interference?


12 posted on 07/01/2024 8:10:07 AM PDT by The Westerner ("...and the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more..." Kipling)
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This will not help Trump with a DC jury.

It helps Trump with everything. The official-acts-vs-unofficial-acts question will not be resolved until after Trump is well ensconced in the Oval Office, and perhaps after he finishes his term. We have months and months and even years of litigation coming on this. No matter what the DC jury decides, it will be appealed, first to the DC Court of Appeals and then back to the Supremes.

This will take AGES.

13 posted on 07/01/2024 8:12:03 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Fido969

I am not a lawyer, but your comment makes no sense. Juries in criminal cases decide if a person is guilty of a crime, a crime as codified by law. Juries do not decide what is a crime and what is not a crime. The prosecutor is the one who must charge for a codified crime. So the definition of ‘official’ has to come from outside the jury, a criminal code, a judges instructions, etc. The jury cant make it up. This was the problem with the NY case. The judge gave incorrect and illegal jury instructions. JMO.


14 posted on 07/01/2024 8:14:19 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: Mouton

It’s a rebuttable presumption, unlike the core Constitutional authorities. Rebuttable presumptions are overruled every day.


15 posted on 07/01/2024 8:14:46 AM PDT by Bob Wills is still the king (Just a Texas Playboy at heart!)
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To: Fido969

“The JURY will decide if an act is official or not-official.“

Wrong. Immunity claims have to resolved before trial. So the trial judge will make his/her determination of what acts are official (requiring the charge to be dismissed) and what are not. The you can expect both Trump and Smith to appeal to the circuit court any decision with which they disagree, and then a subsequent appeal to SCOTUS again. All of this has to occur before they can even begin preparation for an actual trial.


16 posted on 07/01/2024 8:20:30 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, I am free at last)
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To: Tench_Coxe

In other words, moving WH documents to FL are well within his powers.
We all knew this.


17 posted on 07/01/2024 8:22:34 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: chiller

“So, Trump’s J6 actions will be spun by Ds as “extra constitutional”, which might play in a DC court-—that’s my glass half empty perspective”

They probably will, but then that decision will be appealed to the circuit court, and then to SCOTUS again. In the meantime, the trial will still be on hold.


18 posted on 07/01/2024 8:24:03 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, I am free at last)
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To: Bob Wills is still the king

You mean like the presumption of innocence? I’d rather have the presumption on my side than the other. In a ruling on the issue at hand in the Florida court, Trump wins.

In any event, nothing going forward on this mess till after the election.


19 posted on 07/01/2024 8:25:23 AM PDT by Mouton (A 150MT hit may not solve our problems now but is a good start. )
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To: M. Thatcher

He ain’t wrong


20 posted on 07/01/2024 8:25:59 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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