Posted on 06/22/2024 6:39:39 AM PDT by delta7
Consumed by Hatred
QUESTION: How can such hatred be passed down the generations for so long? I have never experienced a family grudge against another, so it is hard for me to understand. Besides, neither side is completely innocent for them to claim such an injustice. Far from it.
I have 2 high school friends that I graduated with that are State Reps in local districts and neither of them would be able to answer the question of why is no one interested in peace. Let alone investigate any of the Neocons. Nonetheless, I do put questions and challenges out in the local political scene, like when the Covid mandates came out. But no one could give me a good answer. They just think my questions and protests are annoying.
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ANSWER: That region retains hatred for generations. I believe it stems from the Eastern Rule of Law. In ancient Athens, if I killed someone in your family, you had the right of vengeance, and if you could not kill me, killing anyone else in my family, even the score. We saw a bit of that with the Hatfield vs. McCoys.
I was called by the old Yugoslavic government. They were talking about how their ethnic enemies had killed 600 of them and thrown them in a common grave. I thought I missed something in the news. When I asked when it was, they replied about 700 years ago.
As I have said, we had employees in Ukraine on both sides – Donestk and Kiev. When we had a conference in Greece, the one from Kiev would not take the shortest return flight because it connected in Moscow. You could NEVER bring a bottle of Russian Vodka to dinner in Kiev. That would be a huge insult. They insist that Kiev should now be spelled Kyiv because of their hatred of Russians.
That is why the CIA protected Ukrainian Nazis who engaged in ethnic cleansing of Polish, Hungarians, Jews, and Russians. The Ukrainians were so evil they even horrified Germans. They cut babies out of a pregnant woman, put in a live cat, and stitched her up. All of these things are documented.
Poland has come out and confirmed that Ukraine REFUSES to apologize for its “dark past” and the world is willing to go to nuclear war all for these people? When will the world wake up that the American Neocons are engaging in the same ethnic cleansing, for they claim roots in Ukraine and are persecuted by Russians?
Naturally, some have not been indoctrinated, but you can have an intelligent conversation. But many were brainwashed with hatred just a Stalin taught kids that the State was your real parent and if your biological “caretakers” ever spoke against the State, they were to report them.
Even Zelensky, before becoming president, hid his Jewish background and joked about confiscating assets from Jews and Russians. This was the humor in Ukraine.
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The hatred in that area runs very deep, and it has been taught for generations all because the borders have changed constantly. Talk to a 20-something Ukrainian, and they will tell you what the Russians did to them.
It was a Bosnian Serb who, on June 28th, 1914, assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife that instigated World War I all because of this ethnic hatred that is passed from generation to generation as the borders have constantly changed.
World War I was rooted in deep hatred. The Ottoman Empire was declining, contributing to the political destabilization of the region. For, if you recall, the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in the siege of Viena in 1683 divided the region. That was the first financial panic I discovered on that list, leading me to the Economic Confidence Model.
Austria-Hungary held Serbia responsible and instantly declared war on July 28th against all Serbs. Russia then mobilized and came to Serbia’s defense. By August 4th, Germany, Russia, France, and the United Kingdom were all drawn into the war by alliances just like NATO today. The Ottomans joined the fight in November 1914.
NATO should have been defunded and shut down in 1991. Its sole purpose was to defend Europe against Russian communism. When communism collapsed, so did the idea of expanding to defeat capitalism, as a good Marxist would advocate.
NATO has been fearful that the climate change agenda would strip money from it, and as I have said, internal documents have shown that it has sought to remain relative with a threat from Russia to invade Europe. Russia has no interest in conquering Europe. That was the days of Communism.
Yet NATO has promoted war to keep its funding. Here are the Declassified Documents from the Clinton Administration. When communism fell in 1991, there were proposals that Russia join NATO. That is why there was a coup against Gorbachev by Russia’s Neocons, who saw it as surrendering to the West.
NATO Invites Russia 1991 document
NOBODY in the media is interested in peace. All they do is promote war. This is NOT going to end well, and the West will find that the center of the world economy will be lost, and this time, it will migrate to China. This is NOT my personal opinion.
This is the forecast by the ONLY real AI computer with virtually a 50-year track record in geopolitics that has called all the elections and conflicts. The war would begin in 2014, and this war would start in Ukraine. I am 74. I get to leave this planet. So, I have nothing to gain or lose. My only regret is what I leave behind for my grandchildren because these evil people are consumed by their own hate and self-interest.
NATO will create World War III just like the alliances created in World War I. Nobody in the leadership role of any country dares even to question what is taking place. I guess we deserve what we get. It is just our time. No matter what I write or say, I cannot change our date with destiny.
War is created by the Elite – never the people.
Hopefully, in 2032, we will learn from these mistakes and change things for the better.
We will not change society until we witness how these Neocons destroy it.
Thank you!
Soldiers will tell you that ultimately they fight for the guy in the foxhole next to them, which becomes hatred for the enemy. It subsumes politics, nationalism and even historic ethnic grudges. The only consistency that is predictable is human nature, and yet few seem to recognize it.
The hospital my wife works at has quite a few Ukrainian and Russian doctors. We know their wives/husbands, and have plugged into their network. This statement is FALSE
They are all "intermarried," born in Ukraine, went to medical school in Russia (or vice versa), parents from both countries, relatives spread across both places, all speak Russian. I've met Russians who hate Putin, and Ukrainians who admire him.
We can certainly say this statement is false among expats and educated elites in their late 30s or older, who have a global view and were able to leave Ukraine. It seems Ukraine elites were/are all russian-speaking, culturally Russian and accepting of the wider role of Russian culture in the post-soviet world.
Many times I have been told the distinctions between "Ukrainian" and "Russian" for the mass of people on both sides are false, recent, and a product of manufactured agitation.
“Why isn’t our President demanding peace talks or something?”
Joe Biden does not want legal separatism to come to the USA.
Examples are being made of pro-Russian Ukrainians.
The EU does not want legal separatism to come to the Europe.
Stuff could flow freely between the UK and Ireland & France if only the British leaders would put on EU collars of obedience. These collars would magically eliminate risk of transmission of plant and animal diseases.
One world - the elite get the best of capitalism and communism - others get to serve.
My extended Family spilt apart over the 2016 election - we have never been back together for any family gatherings since then. Aunts, Uncles, Cousins have not talked to each other for 8 years and will probably never be together again.
The regular inhabitants of earth do not want conflict and violence. We various tribes are not the enemy. But when our parents and professors and pastors and politicians preach the evils of “different” and push us to violence, they are the enemy.
DELUSIONS OF DUALITY https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4199752/posts
When we meet someone who wants to fight we have to understand we’re not dealing with a person, we’re dealing with a program, a malware that has infected the original code.
One world - the elite get the best of capitalism and communism - others get to serve.
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This is an excellent statement, that describes how the international elites operate & think.
“Why no limits on Russian missile payloads or ranges?”
Read up on the Cuban missile crisis.
President Kennedy of the USA did not want Russian missiles in Cuba. He set up a naval blockade to prevent Russians from being able to threaten the USA. To avoid nuclear war, the Russians backed down and the Americans agreed to remove corresponding missiles from Turkey.
Not far from where your father lived there where millions of Armenians who were systematically slaughters by Muslims in the time your father lived there in the earl 1900’s. Tens of thousands were crucified, because they were Christian.
I often times wonder why more people don’t bring the geonocide of the Armenians up when ever the Muslims demand Israel be stopped from defending themselves.
Thanks for sharing that. That is more common than we realize.
That’s what happened before the Civil War.
Seriously?
Did you ever hear of the word “Gulag” a la Soviet Union?
There is no Light(White) Horse in the Ukraine/Putin War. Putin illegally invaded Ukraine after Biden gave the Green Light.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074466148/biden-russia-ukraine-minor-incursion
“Who was it who started lobbing missiles at another sovereign state in this conflict, anyway?”
The conflict is one of escalation. Ukraine lobbed artillery shells at pro-Russians.
“Why no limits on Russian missile payloads or ranges?”
[Let me finally answer your question.]
Ukrainian leaders’ choice: accept limitations or become retired citizens of Ukrainian Republic of Russian Federation
In 1776 the people of the 13 colonies declared independence.
In 2014 many pro-Russians of Eastern Ukraine declared independence and formed the DPR and LPR.
The independent states of DPR and LPR existed for about as long as the independent from Great Britain states of Virginia and Massachusetts did from 1776 to 1783.
France assisting the US at Yorktown was never considered an invader despite the 1763 Treaty of Paris, which provided:
“VII. In order to reestablish peace on solid and durable foundations, and to remove for ever all subject of dispute with regard to the limits of the British and French territories on the continent of America; it is agreed, that, for the future, the confines between the dominions of his Britannick Majesty and those of his Most Christian Majesty, in that part of the world, shall be fixed irrevocably by a line drawn along the middle of the River Mississippi, from its source to the river Iberville, and from thence, by a line drawn along the middle of this river, and the lakes Maurepas and Pontchartrain to the sea; and for this purpose, the Most Christian King cedes in full right, and guaranties to his Britannick Majesty the river and port of the Mobile, and every thing which he possesses, or ought to possess, on the left side of the river Mississippi, except the town of New Orleans and the island in which it is situated, which shall remain to France, provided that the navigation of the river Mississippi shall be equally free, as well to the subjects of Great Britain as to those of France, in its whole breadth and length, from its source to the sea, and expressly that part which is between the said island of New Orleans and the right bank of that river, as well as the passage both in and out of its mouth: It is farther stipulated, that the vessels belonging to the subjects of either nation shall not be stopped, visited, or subjected to the payment of any duty whatsoever. The stipulations inserted in the IVth article, in favour of the inhabitants of Canada shall also take place with regard to the inhabitants of the countries ceded by this article.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1763)
We'll have a civil war here before that happens. But, hopefully, Trump will prevail and put an end to this nightmare.
Europeans are equally opposed to the elite starting WW III. The politicians pushing the proxy war in Ukraine there are dropping like flies.
“ The regular inhabitants of earth do not want conflict and violence.”
The regular inhabitants? Is there some other kind of inhabitants? All inhabitants are born into sin and have an inherent sinful nature that separates them from God. Our basic nature apart from the grace of God is sinful.
“…but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
If you think people are not prone to conflict and violence read “Born Fighting” by Jim Webb. If your kin is from Appalachia you’ll understand.
Far more than the Russians.
And, the Russians have far more national security concerns in Ukraine than we ever did in either Iraq war.
Enough of the insane hypocrisy.
People are just bags of emotions walking around.
This narrative that humans are bad for the planet and destructive to each other is a projection that comes from a dark place, from someone with a very dark vision of the world, not from God. It’s these inhuman humans we have to worry about, an evil sociopathic minority who trick half of us into fearing and hating and warring with the other half. Blaming the people provides a convenient cover for them.
FTA. Worth Repeating......
NATO should have been defunded and shut down in 1991. Its sole purpose was to defend Europe against Russian communism. When communism collapsed, so did the idea of expanding to defeat capitalism, as a good Marxist would advocate.
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