Posted on 06/22/2024 6:39:39 AM PDT by delta7
Consumed by Hatred
QUESTION: How can such hatred be passed down the generations for so long? I have never experienced a family grudge against another, so it is hard for me to understand. Besides, neither side is completely innocent for them to claim such an injustice. Far from it.
I have 2 high school friends that I graduated with that are State Reps in local districts and neither of them would be able to answer the question of why is no one interested in peace. Let alone investigate any of the Neocons. Nonetheless, I do put questions and challenges out in the local political scene, like when the Covid mandates came out. But no one could give me a good answer. They just think my questions and protests are annoying.
EM
ANSWER: That region retains hatred for generations. I believe it stems from the Eastern Rule of Law. In ancient Athens, if I killed someone in your family, you had the right of vengeance, and if you could not kill me, killing anyone else in my family, even the score. We saw a bit of that with the Hatfield vs. McCoys.
I was called by the old Yugoslavic government. They were talking about how their ethnic enemies had killed 600 of them and thrown them in a common grave. I thought I missed something in the news. When I asked when it was, they replied about 700 years ago.
As I have said, we had employees in Ukraine on both sides – Donestk and Kiev. When we had a conference in Greece, the one from Kiev would not take the shortest return flight because it connected in Moscow. You could NEVER bring a bottle of Russian Vodka to dinner in Kiev. That would be a huge insult. They insist that Kiev should now be spelled Kyiv because of their hatred of Russians.
That is why the CIA protected Ukrainian Nazis who engaged in ethnic cleansing of Polish, Hungarians, Jews, and Russians. The Ukrainians were so evil they even horrified Germans. They cut babies out of a pregnant woman, put in a live cat, and stitched her up. All of these things are documented.
Poland has come out and confirmed that Ukraine REFUSES to apologize for its “dark past” and the world is willing to go to nuclear war all for these people? When will the world wake up that the American Neocons are engaging in the same ethnic cleansing, for they claim roots in Ukraine and are persecuted by Russians?
Naturally, some have not been indoctrinated, but you can have an intelligent conversation. But many were brainwashed with hatred just a Stalin taught kids that the State was your real parent and if your biological “caretakers” ever spoke against the State, they were to report them.
Even Zelensky, before becoming president, hid his Jewish background and joked about confiscating assets from Jews and Russians. This was the humor in Ukraine.
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The hatred in that area runs very deep, and it has been taught for generations all because the borders have changed constantly. Talk to a 20-something Ukrainian, and they will tell you what the Russians did to them.
It was a Bosnian Serb who, on June 28th, 1914, assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife that instigated World War I all because of this ethnic hatred that is passed from generation to generation as the borders have constantly changed.
World War I was rooted in deep hatred. The Ottoman Empire was declining, contributing to the political destabilization of the region. For, if you recall, the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in the siege of Viena in 1683 divided the region. That was the first financial panic I discovered on that list, leading me to the Economic Confidence Model.
Austria-Hungary held Serbia responsible and instantly declared war on July 28th against all Serbs. Russia then mobilized and came to Serbia’s defense. By August 4th, Germany, Russia, France, and the United Kingdom were all drawn into the war by alliances just like NATO today. The Ottomans joined the fight in November 1914.
NATO should have been defunded and shut down in 1991. Its sole purpose was to defend Europe against Russian communism. When communism collapsed, so did the idea of expanding to defeat capitalism, as a good Marxist would advocate.
NATO has been fearful that the climate change agenda would strip money from it, and as I have said, internal documents have shown that it has sought to remain relative with a threat from Russia to invade Europe. Russia has no interest in conquering Europe. That was the days of Communism.
Yet NATO has promoted war to keep its funding. Here are the Declassified Documents from the Clinton Administration. When communism fell in 1991, there were proposals that Russia join NATO. That is why there was a coup against Gorbachev by Russia’s Neocons, who saw it as surrendering to the West.
NATO Invites Russia 1991 document
NOBODY in the media is interested in peace. All they do is promote war. This is NOT going to end well, and the West will find that the center of the world economy will be lost, and this time, it will migrate to China. This is NOT my personal opinion.
This is the forecast by the ONLY real AI computer with virtually a 50-year track record in geopolitics that has called all the elections and conflicts. The war would begin in 2014, and this war would start in Ukraine. I am 74. I get to leave this planet. So, I have nothing to gain or lose. My only regret is what I leave behind for my grandchildren because these evil people are consumed by their own hate and self-interest.
NATO will create World War III just like the alliances created in World War I. Nobody in the leadership role of any country dares even to question what is taking place. I guess we deserve what we get. It is just our time. No matter what I write or say, I cannot change our date with destiny.
War is created by the Elite – never the people.
Hopefully, in 2032, we will learn from these mistakes and change things for the better.
We will not change society until we witness how these Neocons destroy it.
Armstrong’s forecasts are legend, I have been following his ECM for more than two decades.
Ukie crimes in WW2, well documented and acknowledged by the US and Polish governments.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/ukraine/the-dark-side-of-ukraine/
The West is backing the dark horse.
We create the conditions for the next war usually by trying to avoid the last war.
People hate Armstrong because he stole $700,000,000.00 of their money…
I recall being very surprised when my dad, though born in Ohio in 1915 but raised in present day Serbia, reflexively stated word for word, “The Turks invaded Serbia in 1289 and massacred thousands...” I could be wrong about the details, but he clearly repeated what he learned in grade school, word for word, during his 15 years there. You had to pry accounts about his childhood, he said he was 100% American with no interest in the old country. Yet automatically repeated the 700 year old grudge.
How many nations has Russia invaded since 1991?
I have always liked Armstrong. He’s one of my favorite guests on Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com
And the Russians tore a swathe through Eastern Europe, to the cry, .
“We left no woman un-raped!”
So there’s plenty if evil in the world.
One must avoid immediate retaliation, escalation, ultimatums and be willing to call things off after a period of time.
Many people here would like to use lawfare against Democrats. Only obvious cases of illegality should be prosecuted. Things need to get toned down.
And, this has nothing to do with laws. Laws are created by people, not the gods.
Revenge is the issue. And, it is perfectly natural. To be civilized we need to control it.
It is like controlling the ingress of foreigners from “over the next hill”. When they contact us we get sick (flu, etc). So, they must be dirty and evil. To keep them from expanding in our direction we must kill them at every opportunity — for out own health and survival.
Perfectly natural, and in accordance with evolution. Being civilized means we must control this.
People hate Armstrong because he stole $700,000,000.00 of their money…
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Lie, his case ( and confinement) went to the US Supreme Court and he was released. Much to the back story ( New York trial, .gov wanted his computer).
I realize there are Armstrong haters ( perhaps you never profited with his ECM), but spreading lies is not acceptable. In either case, you can choose what to believe without lying…..I have done very, very well listening to his forecasts the past 23 years, fact is his ECM is legendary.
Here is his latest interview:
poorly written. difficult to follow the premise.
“The final death toll from these clashes in late February [2014] was 103 protesters and 13 police. According to Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleh Zalisko in February, 184 people sustained gunshot wounds in Kyiv and over 750 suffered bodily injury. On 20 February, the (then) opposition parties (Batkivshchyna, UDAR and Svoboda) stated ‘To hold talks with the regime, the policies of which led to the deaths of many people, is an extremely unpleasant thing but we must do everything possible and even the impossible to prevent further bloodshed’.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualties
Yet we never really see any videos from the war in Ukraine. Little snippets here and there but not actual footage day to day. Why? Am I watching the wrong news programs or do you have to go to some video site online to see what is actually happening over there? I am not for this war in Ukraine and I don’t want to see any American troops deployed there. Why isn’t our President demanding peace talks or something?
My suggestions:
armistice
plebiscites for all disputed areas
(voting boundaries in Russian-held areas to be set by Ukraine)
(voting boundaries in Ukrainian-held areas to be set by Russia)
all boundary points of an area not of a front line to be at least two kilometers apart
all areas to end at a front line
front lines to be those of the ISW as of an agreed date (or those of say 14/06/2024) except in cases justly deemed by the UN General Assembly to be off by more than a kilometer
no foreign troops in what is left of Ukraine
no ex-foreign troops in what is left of Ukraine
no Ukrainian membership in NATO
Ukrainian missile warheads limited to 50kg. maximum
Ukrainian missiles limited to 50km. range maximum
International relations are sort of like marriage.
There’s a need to tone things down.
Most problems in the world including Gaza, household breakup & poverty and of refugees are due to a lack of relationship skills.
The thing is, in this case, the cause for hatred is not necessarily that old. The Holodomor was 90 years ago. The children of the victims of that are still alive and learned from their parents who survived and in turn passed it down to their children.
Yes, many Ukrainians welcomed the Wehrmacht as liberators and for a time enthusiastically supported them. And they were made to pay for this when Soviet troops retook Ukraine.
Ethnic Russians now living in the independent nation of Ukraine had nothing to do with either event, nor were present day Ukrainians the direct victims, but what happened to Ukraine hasn’t been forgotten.
I concur.
Poor syntax, rambling string of random assertions, plus unsubstantiated claims ("All of these things are documented"), special pleading, and anecdotes.
This sort of incoherent narrative might be expected from some vagrant shouting at an invisible audience at a deserted bus terminal at 3 a.m., but not from an educated person intending to formulate a convincing argument.
Not worthy of Free Republic's bandwidth.
Regards,
Why no limits on Russian missile payloads or ranges?
Who was it who started lobbing missiles at another sovereign state in this conflict, anyway?
Regards,
“Besides, neither side is completely innocent for them to claim such an injustice.”
That’s far enough for me. The idea that someone cannot be entirely wrong or even evil is false and damnable. Anyone who starts with that premise should be ignored.
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