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How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Pits Parental Rights Against Public Health (parental freedom legislation… “creates obstacles to vaccination, the foundation of pediatric care.”)
KFF Health News ^ | MARCH 12, 2024 | Amy Maxmen

Posted on 03/14/2024 6:34:29 PM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What I have read is that kids with autism, especially, have issues with inflammation, especially connected with the brain.

I never was convinced about the mercury in the shots thing, but since vaccines trigger the immune response, which is usually inflammatory, it makes a lot more sense that vaccines can trigger autism by that route.


21 posted on 03/15/2024 12:33:52 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: TLI
“People who promote parental rights on vaccines tend to downplay the rights of children,” said Dorit Reiss, a vaccine policy researcher at the University of California.

OK, now they switch from parents rights to the children’s rights.

Except when it comes to abortion. Then a woman's *right* trumps all.

When liberals get all bleeding heart about *the children* they are full on hypocrites, because they show that they only (pretend to) care about the children when it is profitable somehow for them to do so, either financially, or by gaining power and control over others.

22 posted on 03/15/2024 12:38:29 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: DesertRhino

War being waged on parental rights


23 posted on 03/15/2024 1:41:29 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: DoodleBob

DoodleBob wrote: “Why are these people so hellbent on jabbing kids?”

To save lives.


24 posted on 03/15/2024 3:41:41 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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The va666ines are an excellent dry run for the Mark of the Beast.

They're definitely NOT the Mark of the Beast.

But the WORLDWIDE conditioning has begun.

Even if by accident. Which is unlikely.





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25 posted on 03/15/2024 4:18:16 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well, I did have asthma and it was a huge deal for me. BUT...
we all survived and were tougher for it.

I am all for vaccines proven to work and used against deadly diseases such as polio, diptheria, small pox etc.

But a lot of these such as measles seem to be poorly tested or planned out leading to the ailments you mention, perhaps. Then there is the dictatorial nature of the mandates.

Now, with the blind acceptance of mnra and wuhan vaccines, they have eliminated their credibility yet demand that they have the right to insist on them for a skeptical public.

Seems to me the “grandparent” issue could be easily handled with a permission on file sort of thing. Outlier cases could be handled in some similar manner...these are but red herrings tossed out by the “we know best” crowd.


26 posted on 03/15/2024 4:29:57 AM PDT by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: DugwayDuke; TigersEye; Alberta's Child; ConservativeMind; Retain Mike; lee martell; ...

Oh, I get that angle. Everyone wants to save the world; in the same manner, gun controllers want to “save lives”, too.

Both of them share a borderline fanatical devotion to their cause of “saving lives.” That’s ok…everyone has to have a hobby. The global warming crowd is also in this bucket.

Many people try to “save lives” through education, PSAs, propaganda/entertainment, authority bias, and other levels of influence. That’s fine: the marketplace of ideas can flourish.

The pro-vaccine lot has one lever the gun controllers and global warming people lack: the law. Broadly, children can’t attend school without getting scores of injections.

The gun controllers would LOVE to have a similar coercive power of the govt in their corner. Same with the anti-cardio dioxide people….if the govt required children to be driven to school in EVs by disarmed parents, they’d be giddy.

That coercive power - “no public school for you unless you’re jabbed” - is being eroded by parents who are reconsidering the efficacy of this injection regimen. Now, getting Johnny a polio vaccine is one thing…a battery of HPV shots seems too much, and a Covid shot for kidz is certainly a head-scratcher.

This is how the marketplace of ideas works. Parents are inundated with facts, lies, figures, data, bad data, junk science, and “experts.” They know their kids better than anyone, and if they don’t they are STILL the parents. The buck stops with parents and lets it let perfect be the enemy of good.

The crack in that “we just want to save lives” shield came from the trans movement. That crowd applauds keeping pronouns from parents etc., all in the name of “health” and “saving lives,” ie Pat won’t commit suicide if we perform reassignment surgery.

That is, when they lose in the marketplace of ideas, they demand Leviathan takes the football out of the parents’ hands and gives it to THEM.

THAT is why we get this shrill article using kids as a human shield. It may SEEM like the physicians et al want to “save lives.” Their actions however, akin to gun controllers and global warming hysterics, give away their TRUE want: control.


27 posted on 03/15/2024 5:34:31 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: DugwayDuke
To save lives.

Oh, for heaven's sake.

"I'm saving lives."

"So are we!"

28 posted on 03/15/2024 6:22:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: DugwayDuke

No proof Covid vases save any lives. It went from claims of 100% effective (and safe) to *Well, it doesn’t prevent you from catching Covid, nor spreading it. Neither does it prevent you from being sick and needing hospitalization, and death but it (allegedly) may reduce the severity of Covid when you get it anyways*.

The *save lives* argument is leftist rhetoric used to justify the means.

The real risk of Covid was demonstrated on the Diamond Princess at the very beginning of all this, but that was very quickly deep sixed by the medical establishment and media.

Nobody here is buying your propaganda and haven’t been for years.


29 posted on 03/15/2024 7:02:02 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: DoodleBob

If public health is a priority, why is Deep State allowing millions of unvaxxed migrants into the country?


30 posted on 03/15/2024 7:03:28 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: DugwayDuke

CoupFlu policy has never been about protecting public health.


31 posted on 03/15/2024 7:04:22 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: DugwayDuke; DoodleBob
Dugway Duke, we need government to take over your assets to sell them off for money to help kids.

It's for the kids, after all, so anything we do to steal your assets is already pre-approved, and wholesomely right to do.

Thank you for being understanding.

32 posted on 03/15/2024 7:16:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: DoodleBob

DoodleBob wrote: “THAT is why we get this shrill article using kids as a human shield. It may SEEM like the physicians et al want to “save lives.” Their actions however, akin to gun controllers and global warming hysterics, give away their TRUE want: control.”

Oh, BS!


33 posted on 03/15/2024 7:28:02 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: metmom

metmom wrote: “Nobody here is buying your propaganda and haven’t been for years.”

Nobody has been buying your anti-vaxxer propaganda.


34 posted on 03/15/2024 7:29:29 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Your reading comprehension really sucks, doesn’t it?

Or are you so far into denial that you think all the posts on these threads mocking you and calling you out are actually supporting your propaganda?


35 posted on 03/15/2024 7:34:34 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: mewzilla
If public health is a priority, why is Deep State allowing millions of unvaxxed migrants into the country?

Psst.... it's *Illegals*, not *migrants*.

And you are of course, quite correct. It's not about safe guarding anyone's health. It's about control.

If it were truly about keeping people safe, our immigration laws and polices would be much tighter and be enforced.

The fact that the illegals are exempt from all that is required of tax paying CITIZENS, goes to show what is really going on.

36 posted on 03/15/2024 7:38:01 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: DugwayDuke

IBTZ


37 posted on 03/15/2024 7:56:20 AM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DoodleBob

In 1979, eleven babies died of SIDS in one county in Tennessee.

They all had received the same vaccine from the same batch at around the same time.

Wyeth's (since merged with Pfizer) response:

Instead of recalling the vaccine pending an investigation, they covered it up AND… pic.twitter.com/EeeIMxY2VL— Lauren Houston (@LegalizeItLala_) March 14, 2024


38 posted on 03/15/2024 8:07:42 AM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: metmom

metmom wrote: “Or are you so far into denial that you think all the posts on these threads mocking you and calling you out are actually supporting your propaganda?”

The anti-vaxxers are in the minority. Over 81% of the population have been vaccinated.


39 posted on 03/15/2024 8:12:14 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: grey_whiskers

grey_whiskers wrote: “IBTZ”

Is that all you have to offer?


40 posted on 03/15/2024 8:16:33 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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