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Why isn’t Lenin as condemned as Hitler?
The Spectator ^ | 19 Jan 2024 | James Bartholomew

Posted on 01/21/2024 8:29:42 AM PST by Rummyfan

The damaging effects of his coup continue to this day

Around the corner from me is a barber’s shop decorated with black-and-white photographs of icons of the 20th century. James Dean is there with the usual cigarette hanging out of his mouth; Marilyn Monroe is perching on the edge of a pool table. A poster for the film Taxi Driver is alongside a photo of Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack — and also a photo of Lenin.

I guess the aim is to appear edgy, alternative and rebellious. But obviously there is no image of Hitler. That would be unacceptable:....

It is a curious phenomenon that Lenin is acceptable and even approved of whereas Hitler is beyond the pale. It is not exactly a secret that Lenin started off seventy years of communist rule in Russia which included two major famines, the Red Terror, the Great Terror and continuing poverty. The death toll of Soviet communism was in the order of twenty million. So how do people manage to think favorably of him?

I discovered from our SOAS conversations that the first thing admirers of Lenin do is kid themselves that he led a popular revolution removing a corrupt, tyrannical Tsarist regime. This is just not true. The February revolution could indeed be considered a popular revolution and the Tsar was indeed removed from power. But Lenin took no part in it. He was in Zurich and had to read about it in the Swiss newspapers. He did lead the so-called October Revolution, later the same year, but that was not a revolution. The fact that it is referred to as that in Britain is one of several ways in which Soviet propaganda has entered British textbooks. In reality it was a coup. In a rather chaotic series of events, some 10,000 Red Guards took control of Petrograd (now St. Petersburg) and arrested the provisional government.

Then there is the idea that the coup somehow represented the “will of the people.” We have clear proof that it did not.

The Bolsheviks got only 24 percent of the vote in the elections to the constituent assembly. The more moderate socialist revolutionaries received 39 percent. To put it bluntly, the Bolsheviks lost. But Lenin did not care. Rather like Hitler, whose party incidentally got a higher percentage of the vote in Germany than the Bolsheviks did in Russia, he closed the constituent assembly and deployed armed soldiers to prevent anyone reopening it. The lie Lenin fans choose to believe is that if only Lenin had lived, communist rule would have succeeded. Lenin’s replacement by Stalin ruined it all.

But Lenin did all the things that Stalin did. Lenin began government control of agriculture, setting a fixed price that the government would pay for corn and other grains. The price was absurdly low because of the high rate of inflation. A shortage of food ensued. Lenin then requisitioned grain from peasants at gunpoint. These disastrous policies contributed heavily to death by starvation of at least three million people in 1920-21. Lenin implicitly recognized the part his policies had played by reversing them in 1921.

Meanwhile, he took advantage of the famine to steal from the church, seizing half a ton of gold along with a vast quantity of silver and precious stones in November 1921 alone. He stated that this was an opportunity to kill members of the bourgeoisie who resisted this expropriation. “The confiscations must be conducted with merciless determination… the greater the number of clergy and reactionary bourgeoisie we succeed in executing for this reason… [i.e. resisting church looting], the better.’ In two years, more than thirty bishops and 1,200 priests were killed.

Lenin created the Cheka, the Soviet secret police. His on-the-record instructions to kill include this written order following a revolt in Penza province: “Hang (absolutely hang, in full view of the people) no fewer than 100 known kulaks [peasants owning a little land], filthy rich men, bloodsuckers.” Lenin did not engage in class war. He engaged in class murder.

Lenin set up the concentration camps which eventually became the Gulag. He issued a decree in 1918 stating that it was “imperative to safeguard the Soviet Republic from class enemies by isolating them in concentration camps.” Every provincial city was ordered to create one and by the end of 1920 there were 107 of them. Lenin authorized the use of poison gas in 1921 to kill peasants in the Tambov uprising. Vyacheslav Molotov, a senior Soviet politician under both Lenin and Stalin, remarked that both leaders were “hard men… harsh and stern. But without a doubt Lenin was harsher.”


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1 posted on 01/21/2024 8:29:42 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

BTTT


2 posted on 01/21/2024 8:32:29 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Rummyfan

Because the pseudo-intellectual imbeciles who think Marx was a brilliant person, and who have always wanted to force the entire world into socialist servitude, would and will do ANYTHING to accomplish their stupidity-driven agenda.


3 posted on 01/21/2024 8:33:35 AM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: Rummyfan

Because winners write the history?


4 posted on 01/21/2024 8:38:54 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Rummyfan

Then there are those kids in Che Guevara t-shirts, glorifying Fidel Castro’s executioner.


5 posted on 01/21/2024 8:40:13 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: All

Nazis lost and the Marxist won


6 posted on 01/21/2024 8:41:38 AM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: Rummyfan

Instapundit had a thread on this.

One of the commenter there, Greg Hlatky, posted this:

“Comrades! The insurrection of five kulak districts should be pitilessly suppressed. The interests of the whole revolution require this because ‘the last decisive battle’ with the kulaks is now underway everywhere. An example must be made.

“Hang (absolutely hang, in full view of the people) no fewer than one hundred known kulaks, fatcats, bloodsuckers.
“Publish their names.
“Seize all grain from them.
“Designate hostages - in accordance with yesterday’s telegram.

“Do it in such a fashion, that for hundreds of verst around the people see, tremble, know, shout: ‘the bloodsucking kulaks are being strangled and will be strangled’

“Telegraph receipt and implementation. Yours, Lenin.

P.S. Find tougher people.”

Telegram to the Penza Soviet, 11 August 1918

Link to his post:

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7 posted on 01/21/2024 8:44:24 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Rummyfan

Lenin began government control of agriculture.

Biden has that page in the manual dog eared.


8 posted on 01/21/2024 8:45:41 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: escapefromboston
Nazis lost and the Marxist won.

This.

9 posted on 01/21/2024 8:45:51 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: escapefromboston

If the Communists didn’t kill all those people in the Soviet Union, there should be 355 to 455 million people in Russia today.


10 posted on 01/21/2024 8:46:14 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Rummyfan

Germans don’t control the media.


11 posted on 01/21/2024 8:48:12 AM PST by EEGator
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To: neverevergiveup
I have a leftist acquaintance. I asked him this once. His answer was that the Nazi's wanted to hurt people, but that communists were just trying to make people happy. He truly believed this answer.

In his leftist mind intention is everything,and outcome almost unimportant..secondary for sure.

So many leftist programs are like this: reduce cash bail, stop arresting people for crimes, pay people to drive electric cars..... the important thing is the intention is good. The fact that the outcome and unintended consequences are terrible, is not really important to many leftists.

12 posted on 01/21/2024 8:48:20 AM PST by Vlad0
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To: Rummyfan
Communism has killed more than Nazism. But, Hitler while in power, killed more than Lenin.

That being said, it's beyond silly to think Russia is still a communist nation or that we are fighting communism by fighting the proxy war in Ukraine with Russia.

We, under Biden, far more resemble the old Soviet Union.

13 posted on 01/21/2024 8:51:54 AM PST by Kazan
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And Stalin killed even more than Hitler

... including more of his own “countrymen” than the Nazis ever did


14 posted on 01/21/2024 9:03:21 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian vermin out!!)
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To: Rummyfan

Stalin and Mao were worse but I suppose you could claim that hitler killed more in a shorter period of time. (?)


15 posted on 01/21/2024 9:05:00 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Rummyfan

Among other things:

Hitler lost. Lenin won.

Speaking of losers, but I never quite understood the widespread admiration there is for Napoleon. Napoleon pulled his country out of chaos. But then again, so did Hitler.

Then like Hitler, Napoleon wildly overreached and brought misery to all of Europe. And to this day, a “Waterloo” means a great and final disaster. Yet people admire Napoleon. Puzzling.


16 posted on 01/21/2024 9:05:41 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: escapefromboston

Make that “the national Socialists lost, and the international socialists won”.

More descriptive and more accurate.


17 posted on 01/21/2024 9:08:04 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Vlad0

What you posted is very true, and describes the so-called Progressives quite well.


18 posted on 01/21/2024 9:08:43 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: canuck_conservative
And Stalin killed even more than Hitler
... including more of his own “countrymen” than the Nazis ever did


Stalin and Hitler partnered to start WWII. Stalin was able to parlay the vast size of the USSR to gain a monopoly on finance, weapons and technology in the East from the West, which in turn led to more territorial gains. For that reason, Stalin, and perhaps Lenin, are vilified less in Western media and historiography. At the height of the Red Scare and McCarthyism, the U.S. government even engaged in a re-interpretation of the last Polish pre-WWII census to match Soviet ethnographics to make it appear that what is now Western Ukraine and Western Belarus really belonged to those ethnic groups, when the actual census results were much more muddled. In recent years, Western academics accepted communist ethnic declarations of the region, contrary to previously authoritative Western scholars. Somehow a guy who wrote his doctoral thesis about communist economic dogma became more convincing than a Western academic who had access to documents in the Kremlin before the Bolshevik Revolution. Historians are political people.
19 posted on 01/21/2024 9:16:52 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Rummyfan; anyone

Because the far leftist element in the Democratic Party today clearly favors a Marxist oriented type socialism than a Nationalist one.
It’s been that way since WW2, Roosevelts admin was rife with communist sympathizers and downright agents.

Joe McArthy recognized it and nearly won the battle for our great Republic until he was smeared by the media/military-industrial complex. Marshall joined the leftist cause when McArthy started pointed fingers at the military (and rightly so).

What amazes me to this day is how many still believe that “witch hunt” rot, pure comedy when one considers proof that has surfaced with documents ie Venona Project.

I think I’ve shared this before:

https://theobjectivestandard.com/2016/11/vindication-joseph-mccarthy/


20 posted on 01/21/2024 9:17:38 AM PST by Phoenix8
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