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NATO’s war problem: weak armor
Asia Times ^ | 6 Jan 23 | Stephen Bryan

Posted on 01/06/2024 2:33:10 PM PST by delta7

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To: delta7

This is turning point 43,871 for American hegemony.


21 posted on 01/06/2024 3:49:50 PM PST by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Widget Jr

Isn’t Ukraine using 155mm artillery much faster than 3 shifts can produce?


22 posted on 01/06/2024 4:02:51 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: Alter Kaker

This is true. Tanks are destined to become obsolete. No matter whose they are.


23 posted on 01/06/2024 4:07:26 PM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: delta7

This war is a strategic meatgrinder for both sides.

Russia doesn’t want to conquer Ukraine.

Ukraine doesn’t want to conquer Russia.

Tanks in a meatgrinder just get ground up.

Tanks are meant to punch a hole and get into the enemy’s rear and start shooting up kitchens and supply dumps.

When this happens, the enemy goes to crap.

As long as humans live on ground, someone is going to have to fight on the ground.

You can have people wearing fabric against weapons or people in steel against weapons.

It’s a choice.


24 posted on 01/06/2024 4:10:45 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: Alter Kaker

The results of the gulf war and Abrams versus t-74’s migh call this analysis into question


25 posted on 01/06/2024 4:20:28 PM PST by Fai Mao (Strarve the Beast and steal its food.)
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To: delta7

It’s the same with our failed carrier gunboat diplomacy. With drone and missile swarms two of our most cherished weapon systems, the tank and aircraft carrier, are in the process of being rendered obsolete.


26 posted on 01/06/2024 4:28:56 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: delta7
Modern tanks, like modern aircraft carriers, face serious challenges to survive in hostile environments.

You just described practically any weapon system.

27 posted on 01/06/2024 4:43:50 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: delta7

You must be thrilled anticipating your beloved Russia destroying the weapons of the West you so despise. Your gleeful anticipation of such a thing fairly leaps off your post.

Your animosity towards the West in general and the US in particular is well known here on FR, Ivan.


28 posted on 01/06/2024 4:51:55 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: delta7

“There will only be a rump state of Ukraine left by then.”

Which would warm the cockles of your heart, Ivan.


29 posted on 01/06/2024 4:55:16 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: blueunicorn6

“Russia doesn’t want to conquer Ukraine. Ukraine doesn’t want to conquer Russia.”

But who invaded who? Who said the other is an illegitimate country?


30 posted on 01/06/2024 4:57:19 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: BobL

“Ruzzians are sub-human!!!!”

Wow, Bob, that’s a little rough and I’m saying that!


31 posted on 01/06/2024 5:10:22 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Isn’t Ukraine using 155mm artillery much faster than 3 shifts can produce?”

Ukraine is currently using up the millions of 155mm rounds the USA had slated for disposal. They’re using our discards. Which I support.

But Congress is making us pay for them as if they’re new, which I oppose. They were paid for years ago.


32 posted on 01/06/2024 5:14:44 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Uncle Miltie; MeganC

Isn’t Ukraine using 155mm artillery much faster than 3 shifts can produce?


That’s what happens when you only have one forging press for all shell production.

But don’t worry ! They will have a second forging press by the end of 2025.

And then they will be able to produce half of what Ukraine needs every day.


33 posted on 01/06/2024 5:41:14 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: theclown

Armstrong is a shameless self-promoter of snake oil; and his sycophants on FR are his peddlers.


35 posted on 01/06/2024 6:05:27 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Uncle Miltie
For now, that is true. US and Europe are increasing munitions production. That will take time, probably 2025. That's not good for Ukraine.

The other side of the issue is the Russian economy and war production. Despite so many experts giving their expert opinions in the press, no one outside of Russia really knows the state of their economy or military production. Russian stopped reporting many economic indicators after the invasion started. Everyone reporting on the Russian economy, is using the official Russian numbers that can't be verified. No one is trading in Rubles anymore, so everything about the Russian economy and military is guesswork.

What is known is Russia is bringing obsolete equipment out of storage, putting ASW rockets on MTLB field tractors, buying munitions from North Korea and Iran. They are not producing new equipment of any kind, just refurbishing what they have. That shows Russian production is not going well either.

36 posted on 01/06/2024 6:09:25 PM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Quite true. Even when Russia's best minds see the potential for technological innovation, with rare exceptions, their technical and industrial base proves incapable of bringing them to fruition.

For example, the theoretical basis for stealth technology was recognized by a Russian mathematician and published in a technical journal in Russia. It was the US though that took up the idea and developed it into the F-117, F-22, F-35 and for use in ships.

Nevertheless, Russia sometimes does a good job when it comes to producing surprises with new model weapons made with existing technology. The RPG and AK-47 were potent weapons based on foreign innovations that succeeded as cheap and ready to use with minimal training -- ideal for guerrillas.

And the Soviet era Mig-25 Foxbat was a stunner, strong and capable of extraordinary speed due to massive engines and an air frame made with lots of stainless steel. Yet it relied on old technology of vacuum tubes in its electronics and required a massive load of ethanol to dissipate heat.

As it was, the Mig-25 was essentially a dead end in that it was designed for a limited mission -- attacking US heavy bombers at high altitudes -- that the US was in the process of abandoning. And full use of the Foxbat's speed burned out its engines.

Russia's fundamental military strategy throughout her history is to use large military formations and brutal attrition tactics to beat smaller neighbors, with her large territory absorbing and defeating invasions from even the most capable adversaries. Now, with the West providing weapons to Ukraine, Russia is struggling against even a traditional victim of her bullying.

Worse, Russia is in decline, with defective governmental institutions, pervasive corruption, a dismal civic life, and a shrinking population. Western sanctions limit Russia's access to foreign technology and equipment, while her decaying scientific and industrial base are unlikely to recover.

37 posted on 01/06/2024 6:20:04 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: delta7

Is the armor weaker than it was two days ago, when this story was first posted here?

NATO’s war problem: weak armor

01/04/2024 7:23:22 PM PST · by FarCenter · 64 replies
Asia Times ^

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4207847/posts


38 posted on 01/06/2024 6:21:58 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: delta7
Modern tanks, like modern aircraft carriers, face serious challenges to survive in hostile environments

Another words, they are pretty, but cannot fight? As an old, very old Infantryman, I cannot remember one firefight that wasn't a hostile environment. What exactly are they expecting? Daisies tossed at them? What is it with the 'modern' Infantry? They are totally weighed down with layer after layer of equipment and body armor and their maneuvering capability is severely impacted. Have watched video of them waddling around trying to get into positions that they then have to try to get back up from. Maybe if they turn them all into olympic level bodybuilders it can make sense, but wow I feel for those guys, us old fellas complained about hauling 50 pounds around.

39 posted on 01/06/2024 6:48:06 PM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: CatHerd; Alter Kaker

I think you forgot to link to the other thread by the same title where I actually contributed:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4207847/posts


40 posted on 01/06/2024 7:25:53 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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