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Hamas's tunnels are bigger in scale than the Tube in London - what can Israel do?
SKY News ^ | December 9, 2023 | By Sean Bell

Posted on 12/09/2023 5:29:52 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Despite overwhelming military superiority, Israel is struggling to develop an effective strategy to tackle the tunnel network under Gaza.

This "underworld" has provided Hamas with a degree of sanctuary beyond the gaze of satellites, drones and military forces.

How will Israel defeat Hamas without destroying the tunnel network?

The "Gaza metro" is bigger in scale than the London Underground network. Many of the tunnels were originally dug in the early 1980s to bypass the border between Egypt and Rafah, enabling the illegal smuggling of trade and weapons.

However, they have since been expanded into two further categories: defensive and offensive.

The former is primarily focused on the storage of weapons, logistic supplies (fuel, water and food) and command and control HQs, whereas the latter is an elaborate network of tunnels across the border into Israel to enable Hamas to take small-scale offensive action, and crucially to seize hostages.

Since assuming control of Gaza in 2006, Hamas has taken the development of the tunnel network to a new level.

The soft sandstone under Gaza is conducive to tunnelling, but Hamas has also adapted the network in response to Israel's various attempts to destroy it.

Bunker buster bombs could penetrate deep underground - and if they did not destroy a tunnel directly, the shifting sands would cause nearby tunnels to implode.

By digging the tunnels deeper - the main network is now over 20m (65ft) down rather than around 10m (32ft) for the original tunnels - Hamas made them far more difficult to target and destroy.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Hamas; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; hamastunnels; islam; terrorism; tunnel; tunnels
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1 posted on 12/09/2023 5:29:52 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

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2 posted on 12/09/2023 5:31:10 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Israel is pumping millions of gallons of seawater into the tunnels daily. I wonder how long ham-ass can hold their breath?

CC


3 posted on 12/09/2023 5:33:18 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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4 posted on 12/09/2023 5:34:35 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They have already set up pumps to flush out the tunnels with seawater. I wonder if they heard about this idea on Free Republic?


5 posted on 12/09/2023 5:34:59 AM PST by Nateman (If the Pedo Profit Mad Moe (pig pee upon him!) was not the Antichrist then he comes in second.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Flood the with seawater and turn them into sewers.


6 posted on 12/09/2023 5:35:45 AM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There is no way something that big was built without Israel knowing.


7 posted on 12/09/2023 5:35:49 AM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: CodeToad

Yeah of course the world sends aid to the poor Palestinians which is taken by Hamas to build tunnels.


8 posted on 12/09/2023 5:38:00 AM PST by gbaker
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Just think if those people were dedicated to building a free and prosperous society like Israel has done. The money wasted on those tunnel networks is astounding. Gaza has no economy and produces NOTHING. All the money for these tunnels came from foreign aid that was meant for humanitarian purposes.

Cut off all aid and they would get serious about building a thriving, self-sustaining society


9 posted on 12/09/2023 5:45:34 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No, Israel is having no such strategic problems. Israel is systematically destroying the tunnels starting with the access shafts.

I can’t cite the numbers with precision but recall that so far on the order of 500 of 800 known access shafts have been closed/destroyed.

The access shafts are located within the lower story of existing buildings. ( including the homes of Hamas leadership) The building is declared Hamas and then bombed. A bull dozer then clears the dust and chunks and rebar tangle to expose the shaft. A decision is made to leave, plug with a “sponge bomb” or destroy.

There is video of “micro kamakazi drones” that make their way through the tunnel until a spot for destruction is reached. The drone then explodes the charge it is carrying and destroys the precise tunnel location selected.

Since The IDF is going to occupy Gaza for the foreseeable future, it is not necessary to spend time and resources to destroy al tunnels at present. The destruction can be undertaken in a controlled manner for years to come.


10 posted on 12/09/2023 5:45:45 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Israelis need to do what they need to do to make their enemies go away...permanantly! did ruzzia claim flooding tunnels is a “war crime”...while ruzzia INVADES UKRAINE? hasn’t the U.S. government already shown Israel that we can’t be trusted to be fully on their side ? Anthony blinken blinks is how you know something stinks. two choices...there are tunnels under our borders but WE let illegal invaders in by land,sea AND air so we as a nation are not long for this world. Israel...don’t do what WE are doing as it Will lead to the same demise that our “leaders” have planned for these United States of America.


11 posted on 12/09/2023 5:47:30 AM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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Why bother trying to defend not destroying the tunnels? Our (and their) media already has ledes prepared telling us that today, Israel destroyed (pick a random number greater than 1,000) innocent Palestinians. So, no what actually has occurred, the lies will be the same. You know, a Palestinian can lie without their lips even moving. It’s a Muslim thing.


12 posted on 12/09/2023 5:48:18 AM PST by Da Coyote
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What can Israel do?

I suggest stuffing them full of dead pigs and Hamas members and then sealing them in concrete.

13 posted on 12/09/2023 5:49:53 AM PST by liberalh8ter ( Ephesians 6:10 - 18)
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To: gbaker

Just set up the pumps. Who cares if the groundwater is polluted. Desalinization plants solves the issue.

Just having the pumps there, ready to go will be enough to spook the sand nazi’s out.


14 posted on 12/09/2023 5:52:43 AM PST by SteelPSUGOP
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

President Trump called together the Arab nations who have in effect thrown money into Palestine to sooth religious requirements for brother hood to those less fortunate. They all knew that the money was being misused and wasted. However, there was no remedy at hand

They agreed and came together with the Abraham Accords.

Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirate4s and Qatar all bought off the PA and Hamas to prevent the hordes of Palestinians from escaping

They will now have a major say in combination with Israel and the USA as to what will happen in the old Palestinian territory.


15 posted on 12/09/2023 5:54:42 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

1) find access shaft.

2) fill tunnel with water

3) send in submersible drone to go down tunnel as far as it goes, and place explosives there.

4) detonate explosives. The incompressibility of water will channel the force of the explosion to blow any airlocks that have kept water from going further in.

5) if water level drops, repeat from 2.

6) if blast uncovers other access shafts, repeat from 1


16 posted on 12/09/2023 5:55:35 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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They heard the tunneling as it was happening, and probably even triangulated it in real time. Hence the precise maps that we see here. The only part that would be tricky for them would be the concealed entrances into the schools/hospitals, etc, which wouldn't sound much different from the tunneling/tunneling.

Anyway, one would wager that at least 90% of the tunnels are below sea level, and... hey! look at that! There's the Mediterranean Sea right there! Bring me that really big pump and hold my beer!

17 posted on 12/09/2023 6:01:30 AM PST by OKSooner ("You won't like what comes after America." - Leonard Cohen.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Hamas's tunnels are bigger in scale than the Tube in London - what can Israel do?

I don't see a problem. I've heard the Mediterranean Sea has quite a bit of water.

18 posted on 12/09/2023 6:01:38 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

open a couple tanks of acetylene in the bottom of the entrances, and run like hell. its like killing moles.


19 posted on 12/09/2023 6:06:44 AM PST by Ikeon (I stopped going to my family doctor whenever I felt sick. I've never been healthier. .)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gas them and flood them.


20 posted on 12/09/2023 6:07:25 AM PST by nonliberal (Z.)
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