Posted on 11/26/2023 6:55:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Oliver Stone is a Hollywood leftist who has an odd way of being right at times.
His Academy Award-winning JFK was dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
Turns out he was likely closer to right all along -- as Tucker Carlson noted in one of this segments.
That's not the only one.
His South of the Border documentary about Latin America's wave of elected leftist dictators was initially criticized as Chavista propaganda, a glossing over of some of the region's worst rulers ... except that if you watch the thing, which I did twice, you realize he did an extraordinary job of revealing these people as the unattractive pigs that they were.
Sleazy, covetous, Imelda-like, sidelong, gangsterly ... he actually exposed them in all their glory in a way their worst critics couldn't.
That was a useful record of the era.
He's criticized government bureaucracies' demonization of ivermectin and vaccine mandates which is credibility right there.
His criticism of the way the Vietnam War was run by vested interests and swamp bureaucrats was probably spot on, too.
So now he's dropped another truth bomb, or at least is circling around it.
According to RealClearPolitics, which showed a segment and transcript of Stone conversing with Bill Maher:
Some of the transcript (they go off on tangents) is here, emphasis mine:
MAHER: Well, I mean, [Trump] doesn't concede elections. You know, the elections only count if we win theory of government. Okay. Well, come on. You know, Trump has he still has not conceded the election. He has not conceded. He does not honor them. Okay.
STONE: I mean, do you know for a fact that he lost? I'm just curious.
MAHER: Okay. You're going to make me --
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
STONE: Come on, Bill. You know I'm intelligent.
MAHER: Intelligent? Of course you are. But look, look, I've had many people sit here and I'd say the same thing to them. Like, the key to getting along in America is not getting into these tribal things. It's understanding that you can have somebody in your life who you go for A, B, C, and D, We are so aligned and the person is so smart and they really get it.
And then E each of you thinks the other one's crazy and there's a couple of those with us, but we got A, B, C, and D, and so we just.
OLIVER STONE: We'll start with that.
MAHER: Yes, that's got to be enough. You can't make people like agree with you on these things. And you're right when you --
STONE: I'm just asking you, I'm not an expert on the election. I don't go on. I'm not a political junkie. You are. And you follow it very closely. Okay.
MAHER: All right, then I'll give you the thumbnail sketch. They tried it in like 60 courts. It was laughed out of every court, including by Republican judges. Report The people who save this democracy were Republicans. Good Republicans. In states where Trump pressured them like the guy, the one he's on trial for in Georgia. Find me 11,000 votes. It's on tape.
A guy like that saying to him, sir, we just don't do that here. I voted for you. I'm a Republican, but we just don't do that. That's what saved us. And they were Republicans. So you don't take their word for it. I mean, it would.
STONE: I don't know. I mean, you went through the 2000 election. That was horrifying to me. What happened when the Supreme Court closed that down. What happened there? You know, the popular vote was --
MAHER: What should we do? Do we just keep counting votes forever? Or should we still be counting them now?
STONE: No. Count them correctly.
MAHER: The people who have testified that this was a fair and will [sic] run election. It's a who's who of people like Bill Barr. Mitch McConnell. You're talking about Liz Cheney. You're talking about dyed in the wool, serious conservative Republicans who went with Trump really further out than a lot of us thought they would go with a guy like McCain's not a war hero.
[...]
STONE: Well, I don't know the facts. And I think I would trust the accountants more than the politicians. And I'd like to know what the accountants, the guys who vote, who know the most about votes, who do the Electoral Commission's, you know. I can't take Biden's word for it on anything.
MAHER: It's not his word. It's the Electoral Commission. It's Trump's own election security guy who said this was the most fair, well-run election that we've had ever.
STONE: Really?
MAHER: Yes.
STONE: I don't know about that. Okay. I don't know about that.
MAHER: Well, I mean, if there's nothing that can be said or argued that would convince you --
STONE: You, I think it would shock people --
MAHER: Then they called it --
STONE: -- Joe [Biden] got so many got so many votes. You know, that was what was shocking, that he did so well compared to what he was expected to do --
MAHER: Right.
STONE: -- because we believed all the East Coast media --
That's the thinking of an independent thinker, someone who asks again and again what we really know from hard knowledge and what we really know only from the press.
It's startling in its candor, not a full-blown admission of Trump support, but a person who can critically think and use his own knowledge to reason out strange things that have happened since.
The “mainstream” view continues to be “Show me rock-solid irrefutable proof that the 2020 election was stolen and — if you show me real proof — THEN we can begin an investigation.”
But, of course, normally, all one has to do is raise a number of “odd” occurrences and then ask, “Shouldn’t we investigate that?” And Lord knows there are plenty of oddities about 2020. But, the “mainstream” view is that everything is automatically debunked until such time as solid proof is verified, which means no one needs to investigate. Just wait for “proof” to magically appear.
Biden got more votes that Obamao. Ha ha.
I know people who knew Maher when he was at the Playboy Mansion. He’s an alcoholic (you can tell on some of his latest shows) and the bunnies called him “Little Bill”.
Now check out Oliver Stone in “Ukraine on Fire” - banned by YT
https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html
The fact that the election was a banana republic election is sufficient grounds to question it.
Yes.
Because he’s so energetic, funny, coherent, and attractive.
IMHO, some of this might also be buyers remorse. With the economic malaise, Ukraine, Israel, Stone (Jewish) might be getting the picture of how everything is upside down with this loser.
It often requires things to become personal before people discard their abstract, ideological, feelings for practical, empirical, realism.
Oliver Stone can’t seem to decide if he wants to be Conservative or Liberal. He seems to often go in either direction.
“MAHER: All right, then I’ll give you the thumbnail sketch. They tried it in like 60 courts. It was laughed out of every court, including by Republican judges.”
I don’t know how many attempts were made at a judicial evaluation of that election, but I do expect in most (and perhaps all) of those situations no review of actual facts was carried out, since the courts in question refused to pursue those matters because of ‘lack of standing’. That’s a hell of a lot different than “laughed out of every court”, but then again we are dealing with Bill Maher.
“I know people who knew Maher when he was at the Playboy Mansion. He’s an alcoholic (you can tell on some of his latest shows) and the bunnies called him “Little Bill.”
I’ve waded through several of his interviews with people and he’s snockered half the time or you can watch him methodically inebriate himself, light up some cigar (or whatever...) and decend into slurrvania, and basically watch his hair gel dry.
He thinks alot of himself. How many of the guests are wondering what the hell are they even doing there participating in this Maher charade?
It’s sad to see someone like Maher so clearly on the path to hell.... let us pray that he finds Jesus and accepts Him as Savior before it is too late.
Just saw this posted and I don’t think I had ever seen the 2020 election examined like this before... very simple but very telling.
https://wltreport.com/2023/11/26/did-you-know-president-trump-won-person-vote/
“Here’s the claim: President Trump won the “in person” vote in every state — all 50 of them! Meanwhile, Biden won the “mail-in ballot” vote in every state — all 50 of them!”
Obama is the Ted Buddy of the DNC.
Yes, he certainly does. Just look at the script he co wrote with John Milius for the original 1982 “Conan The Barbarian”.
Uh, no, he was not, and no it did not.
Yet another ultra leftist being propped up by so-called "conservative" commentators.
It became fairly clear early on after the election that one could not prove that Trump won enough votes in enough states to win the election. At the same time, it was also clear that if forced to, it could not be proven that Biden won either. The protracted campaign to compromise, eliminate, and negate security measures and features made many states a complete mess.
Then there are the abuses upon the campaign.
I don’t know how many attempts were made at a judicial evaluation of that election, but I do expect in most (and perhaps all) of those situations no review of actual facts was carried out, since the courts in question refused to pursue those matters because of ‘lack of standing’.
Actually you’ll also find a number of those cases where the judge conceded that the things alleged did happen but then decided not to take any action.
Compared to what he was expected to do? He actually did worse than some polls suggested, in some states much worse than they showed. Razor thin margins in some states where polls showed a landslide win - such as Wisconsin.
“Now check out Oliver Stone in “Ukraine on Fire” - banned by YT”
Best not to mention that here, you’ll trigger the Operatives.
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