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US House of Representatives approves resolution in support of Israel, 412 to 10
Israel National News ^ | 10/26/23 | Elad Benari

Posted on 10/26/2023 9:13:11 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

The US House of Representatives on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a resolution expressing support for Israel in its war against Hamas.

The resolution, titled “Standing with Israel as it defends itself against the barbaric war launched by Hamas and other terrorists”, passed by a majority of 412 to 10.

Nine of the ten “no” votes were by Democrats: Reps. Cori Bush, Jamaal Bowman, Andre Carson, Al Green, Summer Lee, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Delia Ramirez and Rashida Tlaib.

The lone Republican no vote was from Rep. Thomas Massie.

The resolution states that the House of Representatives “stands with Israel as it defends itself against the barbaric war launched by Hamas and other terrorists, reaffirms Israel’s right to self-defense and condemns Hamas’ brutal war against Israel.”

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Hamas; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: algreen; andrecarson; aoc; coribush; deliaramirez; ilhanomar; israel; jamaalbowman; middleeast; rashidatlaib; summerlee; thomasmassie; us; uscongress
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To: Brown Deer

Why does the Israel issue get 90+% agreement while both parties agree on nothing else? Just asking.


61 posted on 10/26/2023 12:16:06 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (11)
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To: ifinnegan

Massie announced on X ahead of the vote that he would oppose the measure despite condemning “the barbaric attack on Israel” and affirming “Israel’s right to defend itself” in part because it urges the full enforcement of U.S. sanction against Iran to prevent the country’s funding of terrorist groups, including Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.


62 posted on 10/26/2023 12:17:18 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: ifinnegan

I provided links to Massie’s stated reasons and to HR 771 and haven’t hidden anything. Whether or not one or more of Massies’ reasons are valid are being commented on by others.


63 posted on 10/26/2023 12:21:25 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Carl Vehse

You were too cowardly to answer and say it was Iran.

Why?


64 posted on 10/26/2023 12:24:59 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: EEGator

A grasp of why this is important requires a background of understanding, but the thumbnail lies in Genesis 12

Now the Lord said to Abram,
“Go out from your country, your relatives, and your father’s household to the land that I will show you. Then I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you, and I will make your name great, so that you will exemplify divine blessing. I will bless those who bless you, but the one who treats you lightly I must curse, so that all the families of the earth may receive blessing through you.”
— Genesis 12:1-3

This message builds the broader relevant context:
https://youtu.be/dNs2tt7auQ4?si=BL2zg04yhk40OuVx


65 posted on 10/26/2023 1:02:02 PM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: HKMk23

What a burdensome stone Jerusalem has become!


66 posted on 10/26/2023 1:27:17 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Indeed, Brother; indeed.

And it is going to become an even greater one.
The only part that remains to be seen is how soon.

If we see direct Russo-Iranian involvement gin up, here, and the formation of a coalition that draws North Africa into the mix...

Yeah — “tick-tock.”

So, this COULD be another among the many “birth pangs,” but it could very easily blow up into Ez. 38.

If you want to DO something POWERFUL and EFFECTIVE RIGHT NOW:
PRAY-READ Psalm 18 on behalf of Israel, and the children of Jacob.


67 posted on 10/26/2023 1:40:13 PM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: ifinnegan
"You were too cowardly to answer and say it was Iran."

Wow! Your statement contains an unsubstantiated ad hominem and also begs the question. That's no good.

68 posted on 10/26/2023 1:46:58 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Jim Noble

It’s hard to win a war of ideology with bullets. Not impossible, the Germans and the Japanese eventually changed their minds. But hard, as we see in Afghanistan now. They have to be defeated militarily and pressured and isolated to the point that they realize pursuing their present course is worse. In Afghanistan, the Taliban just won’t give up and the people too fearful even after 20 years of support and training.

One thing I cannot figure out is the post war phase. Who is going to run these territories? Who is going to finance their reconstruction? It cannot go back to business as usual with US/EU/UN just handing them cash. Any foreign aid has to come with very serious strings and consequences; which is tough because politics by very nature is corrupt. And beyond that, some responsible party with the willingness and legal authority to use force to ensure law and order and coexistence has to step up. There are no attacks from Egypt or Jordan because these countries have militaries that won’t allow it. Hezbullah can attack from Lebanon because Lebanon is a weak government and weak military unwilling to control their own country. For the Palestinians, I have no idea who that could be. Egypt likely won’t rule Gaza even temporarily, nor Jordan the West Bank, and the UN has already failed many times in Gaza and Lebanon. Israel never should have let Arafat and the PLO in. Big failure. Clinton should not have forced that on Israel, they should have elevated actual Palestinians living in those lands and supported them with carrots and sticks.

Anyway, going forward, there isn’t anybody who can really speak for or represent the Palestinian people. Some unserious people in the West, Biden included, saying “this has to end with a 2 state solution” are not being honest. The Palestinians are not one people of one mind, and other than Hamas there is no serious leadership among them. You could argue that at this point the Palestinians are 3 distinct people - Gazans, West Bankers, and those who live in “camps” in places like Lebanon. These three factions may be irreconcilable particularly because there is no room for the descendants of refugees in Gaza, and the people of the West Bank don’t want either of them moving in to their neighborhoods.

Hamas has to be destroyed but I have no clue who will step up after they are gone or how these three distinct groups will come together. It simply benefits them to keep blaming Israel because they cannot reconcile these tough questions for themselves. It is probably the single biggest reason why Arafat could never sign on the dotted line - he couldn’t tell the descendants of refugees in Lebanon they were not welcome and he could not tell the people of the West Bank to be prepared for 500,000 Gazans to move in, either. It’s not going to be easy at all but it is very sophomoric to just say “two state solution” when really it’s looking more like a four or five state solution is required. The Palestinians are only united in their hatred of Israel.


69 posted on 10/26/2023 1:50:25 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Wuli

See my post #69 above. You’re right about what it will take... but I’m skeptical that it’s even possible. It’s less of a question of whether they want peace with Israel and more to do with answering the hard questions about their own identities. You basically have 3 classes of people. The West Bankers are the more middle class, industrial, and agrarian people. The Gazans and those in other camps are under-educated and require external assistance. The political class in the West Bank simply does not want to see 2 million people with few skills and limited education moving in - yet the West Bank is the only place with land enough to accommodate them.

I think Jared Kushner’s plan tried to address this question. Details are sketchy but I think it included proposals to lease and develop land in the Sinai and Jordan to make room and finance industry, seaport, airport etc... but it went nowhere.


70 posted on 10/26/2023 1:58:49 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: HKMk23

Amen to all of what you posted!
These are dark days, but we know how they end.

God Bless You!


71 posted on 10/26/2023 2:00:35 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: monkeyshine
It’s hard to win a war of ideology with bullets

The beginning of wisdom is calling things by their right name.

These wars have zero to do with ideology.

They are race wars, something which humanity has prodigious experience with.

When one side fights and the other pontificates about ideology, it's very hard for the pontificators to prevail.

We own the West because of Wounded Knee and smallpox blankets, not because of "freedom".

72 posted on 10/26/2023 2:34:56 PM PDT by Jim Noble (They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn)
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To: BusterDog

Indeed. If you want peace, prepare for war.

and/or

Hope for the best while preparing for the worst.


73 posted on 10/26/2023 4:07:19 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: ifinnegan; Carl Vehse

https://youtu.be/U7s5pT3Rris?t=33


74 posted on 10/26/2023 4:21:23 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

What is with Thomas Massie?


75 posted on 10/26/2023 4:25:21 PM PDT by Hildy (I)
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To: KTM rider

This is just a resolution - nothing more. It doesn’t authorize any new spending.


76 posted on 10/26/2023 4:29:45 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: KTM rider

We need to increase production to deal with China.


77 posted on 10/26/2023 11:27:32 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: Jim Noble

The US keeps preventing Israel from winning completely. We did this in 1967 and 1973. And the US undercut Israel and effectively destroyed the British and French Empires in 1956


78 posted on 10/26/2023 11:29:01 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Why does the Israel issue get 90+% agreement while both parties agree on nothing else? Just asking.
In general, it doesn't. Hamas's brutality changed things, at least for now.
79 posted on 10/26/2023 11:33:30 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: aquila48

I can agree with his stance and respect him for going against the flow and clearly and concisely stating his opposition.


80 posted on 10/27/2023 5:43:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants ( "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."- Mark Twain)
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