Posted on 10/13/2023 5:05:16 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
Russia's proposed 2024 budget allocates funding to the families of 102,700 military personnel killed in Ukraine, giving insight into Moscow's likely death toll in Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine that began in February 2022.
The figures, which have not been independently verified by Newsweek, were reported on Thursday by independent Russian news outlet Mozhem Obyasnit, which analyzed Russia's federal budget draft for 2024 to 2026. The publication notes that in addition to one-time insurance payments for military personnel killed in Ukraine, relatives also receive monthly compensation of 21,922.12 rubles ($225) from the Social Fund of Russia....
According to the publication, the government's expenses more than doubled compared to 2022, and the difference of 2.250 billion rubles ($23,151,125.25), divided by the monthly payment, suggests Russia will need to pay the families of 102,700 military personnel killed in Putin's war in Ukraine.
"According to the authorities' forecasts, 100,000 Russian military personnel will die within two years of the [war]," Mozhem Obyasnit reported...
Russia's death toll continues to rise amid Ukraine's grinding counteroffensive to recapture its occupied territories. According to figures released by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Friday, Moscow lost 1,030 soldiers over the past 24 hours, bringing the total to 285,920...
Russia itself rarely releases figures on troop losses. In September 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said 5,937 Russian troops had been killed in the war in Ukraine since late February 2022...
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where did you find that?
Never mind,
I saw the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Russia’s Likely Death Toll in Ukraine Revealed in Government Filing, MNDude wrote:
And I thought someone was talking about me. I guess not😞
Here is a much more recent article.
How Ukraine is Crushing Russia’s Famed “God of War” Artillery
https://www.newsweek.com/russias-god-war-failing-1816722
“Russian artillery shortages and escalating casualties have been a constant theme of intelligence reporting since the height of the push by Russia to take the town of Bakhmut. U.S. intelligence now estimates that Ukraine has superiority over Russia in tube artillery, while Russia leads in rocket launchers. The British Ministry of Defence intelligence stated in early July that Russia has “implemented a shell-rationing regime for artillery in an attempt to preserve its critical indirect fire capability.” In English, this means that Russia, which had been at one-time firing as many as 50,000 artillery projectiles (that is, “shells”) in a day, it is now down to a little more than one-tenth of that number, with Russia only using artillery in token attacks over many of the sectors along the 1,500 mile front, according to U.S. intelligence analysts, concentrating its use of artillery where Ukraine is most active.”
don’t ping me to your thread in an effort to flame bait. That’s a serious infraction of the Rules.
I learned ratios in Grade School.
but you failed at logic and common sense
because a certain artillery ratio does not imply the exact same killed ratio
There is certainly a lot of deflection in this thread on the news that the Russians have suffered over 100,000 dead in this war. Will Putin continue his attempt to conquer Ukraine until the last Russian? The pro-Russian keyboard warriors do seem not to care about the lives of the Russian soldiers.
I wonder if we will hear the same voices crying for a ceasefire in a couple of days. Putin is whining already. It usually takes that group a day or so to send out their minions on FR.
Close enough, according to Ritter.
60-80 percent of military casualties in peer wars since WW1 have come from land based artillery.
If Russia has 10x artillery, likely 10x casualties and 10x killed.
Thanks for settling this.
That’s actually not the case and is overly simplistic. The number of casualties is not linear to the amount of artillery. There is a diminishing marginal effect for each additional increase in the amount of artillery used.
Shells fired might be more than 10:1
That leaked Ukraine war doc had Ukraine firing ~1000 shells per day at that point, when the Russians have been estimated at more than 20K.
~70 percent of total casualties from land based artillery is a firmly established peer war number.
The mismatch in shells fired is likely >10:1.
Artillery lethality is growing because of increased precision guided and drone observation / correction.
Ukraine needs to stop this while some of them are still alive.
If the results were anywhere near what you are claiming, the Ukrainian army would already have been destroyed and the Russians would have an open road to Kyiv. As that is clearly not the case, it shows that your argument is fallacious.
Ukraine is on their third Army.
Estimates of Russian combat deaths from obituaries is on the order of 30K.
I think 1 mil casualties and 300K deaths for Ukraine is in the ballpark.
LOL. The battle would not still be some dozens of miles from the Russian border after nearly two years of war had Ukraine 10x the casualties of Russia. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Please try to do better.
Ukraine is still Ukraine. Russia is provably no longer a super power. Venezuela with nukes and no more.
“Venezuela with nukes and no more.”
We will see if that assessment holds up.
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