Russia's Likely Death Toll in Ukraine Revealed in Government Filing

Newsweek ^ | Oct. 13, 2023 | Isabel van Brugen

[canuck_conservative]

Russia's proposed 2024 budget allocates funding to the families of 102,700 military personnel killed in Ukraine, giving insight into Moscow's likely death toll in Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine that began in February 2022.

The figures, which have not been independently verified by Newsweek, were reported on Thursday by independent Russian news outlet Mozhem Obyasnit, which analyzed Russia's federal budget draft for 2024 to 2026. The publication notes that in addition to one-time insurance payments for military personnel killed in Ukraine, relatives also receive monthly compensation of 21,922.12 rubles ($225) from the Social Fund of Russia....

According to the publication, the government's expenses more than doubled compared to 2022, and the difference of 2.250 billion rubles ($23,151,125.25), divided by the monthly payment, suggests Russia will need to pay the families of 102,700 military personnel killed in Putin's war in Ukraine.

"According to the authorities' forecasts, 100,000 Russian military personnel will die within two years of the [war]," Mozhem Obyasnit reported...

Russia's death toll continues to rise amid Ukraine's grinding counteroffensive to recapture its occupied territories. According to figures released by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Friday, Moscow lost 1,030 soldiers over the past 24 hours, bringing the total to 285,920...

Russia itself rarely releases figures on troop losses. In September 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said 5,937 Russian troops had been killed in the war in Ukraine since late February 2022...

[canuck_conservative]

sounds plausible ... a lot more believable than Shoigu's "6000" number, anyway

using the 3:1 injured/killed ratio would mean Russia has lost 400,000 troops

which would explain why Putin had to do another 300,000 mobilization 1 year ago ...

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Let’s fight Ruzzia to the last Ukrainian life!

[canuck_conservative]

40,000,000 / 100,000 = damn, they can only last for another 400 years

actually longer, because it doesn’t include those yet to be born ... so, maybe 600 years ...

[kiryandil]

“Isabel van Brugen”, who has never been known to be curious about the wholesale slaughter of the press-ganged Ukrainian cannon fodder...

[taxcontrol]

Significant yes. Enough to force Russia to back off Ukraine, no.

Russia has a history of taking substantial losses. My estimate is that it will take on the order of 500,000 KIA to get Russia to withdraw.

[BobL]

“Let’s fight Ruzzia to the last Ukrainian life!”

LOL. Using the Ruzzian artillery advantage of 10:1, that would mean 1 MILLION Ukrainians dead. No wonder they’re reduced to press-ganging Geriatrics.

...and for what, to try to settle some blood feud that a handful of Neocons have? SICK.

[cabojoe]

When no one here cares anymore about Ukraine what’s your new gig gonna be?

[cabojoe]

Humor Break

[ransomnote]

Ukraine Is Being Beaten, Beaten Badly! Russia Ukraine War Speech @EnglishDemocrat Conference

YOUTUBE CHANNEL: Godfrey Bloom Official

ransomnote: He's an interesting speaker and I plan to listen to the whole recording now that I listened to the first 10 minutes. I put a few excerpts below, and put a few sections in bold text for emphasis. He's British, former military and former NATO member.

 

The transcript is computer generated so there are word choice errors, but I find it worth reading.

EXCERPT:

 

I saw the

other day you may well have seen it uh

an eight 800w oped by Ben Wallace in the

Daily

Telegraph I have never seen so much

scandalous lying in my life it is

disgraceful he is telling us one last

push and Ukraine Army is going to win

he's talked about um a half a million

Russian casualties and the loss of two

two 2,500 armored uh armored vehicles

none of this is true the long and short

of it is Ukraine Army is being badly

beaten and the war is virtually over

now

 

now what we need to do is understand

how this came about how did this come

about how did this crazy unnecessary

criminal War come about one wonders well

it is about regime change so it's you

could trade it back further than 2008

but 2008 is a good time to go back

too where it became uh

policy uh of Washington Washington's

policy and its puppet nature because

NATO is simply just a puppet uh of the

Neo conu Washington now

I speak as the

ex obviously NATO NATO member NATO

supporter in the days of the Soviet

Union the N NATO was a very good thing

uh NATO protected us from a rather

unpleasant regime heavily militarized

regime the Soviet Union those days have

gone now theyve gone what we can't seem

to understand is that the Soviet Union

is no more and we can't move on in this

country we have to move on Washington

has to move on European nations in NATO

have to move on

[Steely Tom]

So putin’s war has cost at least a quarter-million lives.

And he wants Israel to go easy on Hamas. Or else there will be... consequences.

[canuck_conservative]

When no one here cares anymore

and yet, you cared enough to click on the thread and respond

maybe Jon will be along soon too, to say how much he doesn't care ...

[SpeedyInTexas]

Good Feel Story Of The Day.

Thanks for posting!

[hardspunned]

You know who’s paying all of these expenses for the 450,000 dead Ukrainian boys? Our grandchildren will be. We’re also paying the salaries of the entire satrapy. Don’t forget the pensions we’re paying for all pensioners, dead and alive.

[cabojoe]

I clicked because you posted it, could care less about the title.

[MNDude]

“I have never seen so much
scandalous lying in my life it is
disgraceful he is telling us one last
push and Ukraine Army is going to win
he’s talked about um a half a million
Russian casualties”

It’s become so bad that Baghdad Bob would blush.

I’m see a lot of reports that Russia has started their offensive again. The reports seem to indicate thousands of tanks on the move, but they are moving very slow and deliberate.

[MNDude]

In any case, it seems all of the reports are claiming victory for whichever side they are on. The Pro Ukraine videos are screaming victory for Ukraine. The Pro Russian videos are screaming victory for Russia.

My guess is we won’t know for a month or two based on if Russia is stopped in their tracks, or if they’ve advanced considerably.

[ansel12]

“”” Using the Ruzzian artillery advantage of 10:1, that would mean 1 MILLION Ukrainians dead.”””

What 10 to 1 advantage? This isn’t early 2022, you didn’t watch the evolving artillery situation in Ukraine and what it is today?

[canuck_conservative]

artillery advantage of 10:1

link, please

[ransomnote]

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Russia's Likely Death Toll in Ukraine Revealed in Government Filing, MNDude wrote:

In any case, it seems all of the reports are claiming victory for whichever side they are on. The Pro Ukraine videos are screaming victory for Ukraine. The Pro Russian videos are screaming victory for Russia.

My guess is we won’t know for a month or two based on if Russia is stopped in their tracks, or if they’ve advanced considerably.

I agree that there's propaganda on both sides.

I base my assertion that the Ukraine is losing is the reports of people who have been more accurate than others in the 'fog of war' (propaganda storm) and then the manuevers of Poland, Biden etc. as they drop funding for the Ukraine. In particular, Poland's interactions with the Ukraine seem to indicate Biden has given Poland to 'get tough' with the Ukraine - that way Biden fakes like he's still supporting the Ukraine while Poland does the 'dirty work.'

But -I know there's fake fake fake out there and I am turning to the people I suspect are seeing through the lies better than others.

[BobL]

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-01/ukraine-outgunned-10-to-1-in-massive-artillery-battle-with-russia.html