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Russia's Likely Death Toll in Ukraine Revealed in Government Filing
Newsweek ^ | Oct. 13, 2023 | Isabel van Brugen

Posted on 10/13/2023 5:05:16 PM PDT by canuck_conservative

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To: ransomnote

where did you find that?


21 posted on 10/13/2023 6:40:10 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: ransomnote

Never mind,
I saw the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Russia’s Likely Death Toll in Ukraine Revealed in Government Filing, MNDude wrote:

And I thought someone was talking about me. I guess not😞


22 posted on 10/13/2023 6:51:23 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: BobL

Here is a much more recent article.

How Ukraine is Crushing Russia’s Famed “God of War” Artillery
https://www.newsweek.com/russias-god-war-failing-1816722

“Russian artillery shortages and escalating casualties have been a constant theme of intelligence reporting since the height of the push by Russia to take the town of Bakhmut. U.S. intelligence now estimates that Ukraine has superiority over Russia in tube artillery, while Russia leads in rocket launchers. The British Ministry of Defence intelligence stated in early July that Russia has “implemented a shell-rationing regime for artillery in an attempt to preserve its critical indirect fire capability.” In English, this means that Russia, which had been at one-time firing as many as 50,000 artillery projectiles (that is, “shells”) in a day, it is now down to a little more than one-tenth of that number, with Russia only using artillery in token attacks over many of the sectors along the 1,500 mile front, according to U.S. intelligence analysts, concentrating its use of artillery where Ukraine is most active.”


23 posted on 10/13/2023 6:51:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: BobL
your link says Russia has 10X as much artillery as Ukraine

but in #6, you somehow use that artillery number to multiply Ukraine's troops lost by 10, to arrive at your "1 million dead"

are you really that dumb? you think we can't see that BS??


24 posted on 10/13/2023 6:53:08 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative; cabojoe; kiryandil

don’t ping me to your thread in an effort to flame bait. That’s a serious infraction of the Rules.


25 posted on 10/13/2023 7:01:53 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: canuck_conservative

I learned ratios in Grade School.


26 posted on 10/13/2023 7:13:42 PM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: BobL

but you failed at logic and common sense

because a certain artillery ratio does not imply the exact same killed ratio


27 posted on 10/13/2023 7:21:16 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative

There is certainly a lot of deflection in this thread on the news that the Russians have suffered over 100,000 dead in this war. Will Putin continue his attempt to conquer Ukraine until the last Russian? The pro-Russian keyboard warriors do seem not to care about the lives of the Russian soldiers.


28 posted on 10/13/2023 7:30:48 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

I wonder if we will hear the same voices crying for a ceasefire in a couple of days. Putin is whining already. It usually takes that group a day or so to send out their minions on FR.


29 posted on 10/13/2023 7:33:23 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: canuck_conservative

Close enough, according to Ritter.


30 posted on 10/13/2023 7:35:00 PM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: canuck_conservative; BobL

60-80 percent of military casualties in peer wars since WW1 have come from land based artillery.

If Russia has 10x artillery, likely 10x casualties and 10x killed.


31 posted on 10/13/2023 7:43:34 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

Thanks for settling this.


32 posted on 10/13/2023 7:45:30 PM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Reverend Wright

That’s actually not the case and is overly simplistic. The number of casualties is not linear to the amount of artillery. There is a diminishing marginal effect for each additional increase in the amount of artillery used.


33 posted on 10/13/2023 7:55:17 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: BobL

Shells fired might be more than 10:1

That leaked Ukraine war doc had Ukraine firing ~1000 shells per day at that point, when the Russians have been estimated at more than 20K.


34 posted on 10/13/2023 8:02:28 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Salohcin; BobL

~70 percent of total casualties from land based artillery is a firmly established peer war number.

The mismatch in shells fired is likely >10:1.

Artillery lethality is growing because of increased precision guided and drone observation / correction.

Ukraine needs to stop this while some of them are still alive.


35 posted on 10/13/2023 8:11:41 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

If the results were anywhere near what you are claiming, the Ukrainian army would already have been destroyed and the Russians would have an open road to Kyiv. As that is clearly not the case, it shows that your argument is fallacious.


36 posted on 10/13/2023 8:21:42 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

Ukraine is on their third Army.

Estimates of Russian combat deaths from obituaries is on the order of 30K.

I think 1 mil casualties and 300K deaths for Ukraine is in the ballpark.


37 posted on 10/13/2023 8:29:43 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: BobL

LOL. The battle would not still be some dozens of miles from the Russian border after nearly two years of war had Ukraine 10x the casualties of Russia. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Please try to do better.


38 posted on 10/13/2023 8:30:12 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Reverend Wright

Ukraine is still Ukraine. Russia is provably no longer a super power. Venezuela with nukes and no more.


39 posted on 10/13/2023 8:31:10 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

“Venezuela with nukes and no more.”


We will see if that assessment holds up.


40 posted on 10/13/2023 10:05:04 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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