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What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
nytimes ^ | 08/02/2023

Posted on 08/03/2023 5:09:48 AM PDT by devane617

Donald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.

What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?

We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. It was encapsulated in a quote the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington gave to my colleague Thomas B. Edsall recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”

In this story we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments, and that’s what matters to them most.

I partly agree with this story; but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.

So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: badguys; davidbrooks; demagogicparty; media; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; taterbabies; trump
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Does the Left have a tiger by the tail and they are beginning to see a huge problem ahead? I feel certain that some on the Left feel they are and have pushed to far and now realize that payback may be dead ahead. If Trump does not go down as they have planned, but arises as next POTUS they know what is coming and some becoming aware.
1 posted on 08/03/2023 5:09:48 AM PDT by devane617
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To: devane617
Yes. You are the Bad Guys here.
2 posted on 08/03/2023 5:13:01 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: devane617

Dems refuse to learn the lesson of political reality....What goes around., comes around..You won’t always be in charge.....


3 posted on 08/03/2023 5:14:23 AM PDT by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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tried to read article ... started to all sound like blah, blah, blah ... lots and lots and lots of words but actually utter twaddle ...


4 posted on 08/03/2023 5:14:48 AM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: devane617

Author is David Brooks. As in ‘crease in the pants’ David Brooks?


5 posted on 08/03/2023 5:15:12 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: devane617

Geez. The 1st 2 sentences are so egregiously wrong why read any further? A propaganda piece that Goebbels would give two enthusiastic thumbs up.


6 posted on 08/03/2023 5:15:20 AM PDT by albie
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>> The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. <<

FU


7 posted on 08/03/2023 5:15:51 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money)
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To: albie

Ya I kinda lost interest about the same time...


8 posted on 08/03/2023 5:19:46 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: devane617
David "Crease" Brooks once said this in a column


9 posted on 08/03/2023 5:21:10 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (The best slaves put their own chains on )
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FROM THE ARTICLE: But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? “

FRON ANOTHER RECENT ARTICLE: Healthcare provider drops cancer patient for purely political reasons.


10 posted on 08/03/2023 5:21:46 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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If we support a guy that the swamp accepts, I don’t want the guy. Its simple. That is why its Trump or no one for me. And its why the elect-ability issue is a non starter. Trump would win a fair election. But they will cheat. SO people suggest that they won’t cheat for someone else. Thats crap. I won’t play that game. And frankly if they don’t cheat its proof that I don’t want that guy in office. Trump has great polls right now. He would win right now. I am not compromising with the cheaters.


11 posted on 08/03/2023 5:21:50 AM PDT by poinq
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“I partly agree with this story; but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.”

Interesting sentence.


12 posted on 08/03/2023 5:23:47 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Our empire of sodomy is failing as it should. How else could it go? )
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“Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done”

I think they meant to say,Why is this guy still politically viable, AFTER ALL WE’VE DONE TO HIM???

We omitted key words from his statements. We’ve even made crap up. We’ve back up all the bogus impeachments,investigations and indictments. All the while ignoring the traitorous biden crime family.
Now we are playing dumb because some of the charges against Hunter might stick.
PS we still don’t care. We still hate Trump, America and the USC.


13 posted on 08/03/2023 5:26:25 AM PDT by Leep (What skill or service did the biden family have that netted them tens of millions of dollars?)
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What a sassy little bitch!


14 posted on 08/03/2023 5:27:06 AM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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Nice try but I’m not signing up to just read the rest of the article.

You work for the Times?


15 posted on 08/03/2023 5:27:33 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (Make orwell fiction again)
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“Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down

Nope, we see it changing in the wrong direction, that will have dire consequences for the human race. We are committed to stop it from going any further, & reversing it back to a normality that is now missing. Because the stupid amongst, which is rapidly expanding, have no clue what they are inviting in, unrestrained evil.

They will not like what they are now seeking. They will have nothing as is being promised, but they will not be happy.

That's guaranteed.

16 posted on 08/03/2023 5:28:43 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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*** “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”***

Not one person I know wants to go back to 1963. Not one.

We were making great strides in race relations by the 80’s, 90’s, and so forth. Somehow electing a black man to the presidency is where it all started going astray.

Obama was the one to begin to fundamentally transform our country, and it wasn’t from his half black African side, it was from his white Marxist mother’s side. Marxism is the problem here, and that’s what conservatives are upset about.

Donald Trump showed what a lie we all had in our government and the deep state. It was very Marxist.

We would like to get Marxism out of our government, and Mitch McConnell has been only too happy to let it grow.

Donald Trump was getting things moving. We have too many regulations that constrain productivity.

The anti-Trumpers are the problem. I don’t hate them, but I’d like for them to give Trump a chance. They never gave him a fair shake while he was in the presidency, and all because they think Hillary was supposed to win in 2016.


17 posted on 08/03/2023 5:30:34 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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In 1963 most married women didn’t need to work.

Housing and college for the kids was affordable.

Archie Bunker could work on a loading dock and afford a house in NYC, a stay-at-home wife, a daughter and a ‘meatball’ son-in-law.


18 posted on 08/03/2023 5:31:05 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (“Miserably inadequate” people generally vote Democratic.)
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To: devane617

MAGA people must become ungovernable. The left taught us how.


19 posted on 08/03/2023 5:32:15 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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To: READINABLUESTATE

no and im not an idiot


20 posted on 08/03/2023 5:32:48 AM PDT by devane617 (Discipline Is Reliable, Motivation Is Fleeting..)
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