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‘National Popular Vote’ scheme would make Michigan electorally irrelevant
The Hill ^ | 07/12/2023 | MICHAEL BARS,

Posted on 07/12/2023 8:51:22 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: MinorityRepublican
Let’s say Trump wins the election. But Michigan voted for Biden. So, Michigan is required to override the will of their voters by giving all the EVs to Trump?

In the event that Trump won the national popular vote, that is exactly what would happen under the compact.

But of course, vote fraud in California, New York, and Illinois would ensure that only a Democrat could ever win the "national popular vote". They can print all the ballots they need to make that happen.

Voters do not matter. Ballots matter.

21 posted on 07/12/2023 11:57:50 AM PDT by flamberge (It seemed like a good idea at the time.)
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To: Mr. K

It would also mean those are the only two states they need to utilize the cheat machine.


22 posted on 07/12/2023 1:44:13 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Not a prayer. Never going through NC or SC (and frankly, probably not ever going through ME or AZ for the foreseeable future), and the Marxists need ALL to even have a shot at 270.


23 posted on 07/12/2023 2:09:52 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: cnsmom

When I was a teenager, I bailed out of MI in the early 70s. The government/democrat/labor corruption was plain to anyone who opened their eyes.

Best move of my long life.


24 posted on 07/12/2023 3:03:15 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: taxcontrol

The Framers wisely left such matters to the states.

It helped ensure ratification.


25 posted on 07/12/2023 3:05:23 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I’ve read that that “compact” is unconstitutional because states can’t do things like that without Congressional consent.

It's a double-edged sword.

States can't enact an interstate compact without Congressional approval, but no state (with or without Congressional approval) can give away their Constitutional plenary power. The Supremacy clause of the Constitution says that anything IN the Constitution is supreme over any law.

That means that a state like Michigan can renege on the National Vote Scheme any time they want because they never really give up their Constitutional plenary power. Congress cannot take that power away from a state even if the state joins an interstate compact.

In fact, states may argue that any compact that involves giving up a Constitutional plenary power is not subject to interstate compacts. Those compacts were reserved for interstate commerce agreements, water rights, mineral rights, etc.

-PJ

26 posted on 07/12/2023 3:17:06 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: flamberge
Yes, the Electoral College serves to contain the illegal votes to within the state. California only gets 53 EV regardless of whether the Democrat wins by 1 vote or by 10,000,000 votes.

With the National Popular Vote scheme, those excess votes will count towards the winner. California's excess votes are more than the total votes of some states.

That's the real reason the left is pushing so hard for it.

-PJ

27 posted on 07/12/2023 3:23:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Biden, Trump, a Trump supporter and a Biden supporter were in an airplane with no parachutes that was going down if they didn’t lighten the load. After throwing out everything that wasn’t bolted down (and some things that were), the plane was still too heavy. So, they decided to vote on who would be thrown out. The vote was 2 for Biden and 674 for Trump.


28 posted on 07/12/2023 3:29:51 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The National Popular Vote - Vicious Democracy.
29 posted on 07/12/2023 3:35:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“... would make Michigan electorally irrelevant”

No mention how The Constitution would fare. </sarc>


30 posted on 07/12/2023 3:59:33 PM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
National Popular Vote is a left-wing scheme

Of course it is because everything the Left does is unconstitutional.

The Constitution protects our freedom against oppressive and unjust government.

The LOVES oppressive and unjust government.

31 posted on 07/12/2023 6:44:32 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“Hill” talks about “left-wing schemes”?

WOW!


32 posted on 07/12/2023 8:06:29 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Yup, and Maryland already signed onto this betrayal of our popular vote.

Throw away your electoral votes to the whims of the fool majority in the whole country?

How can this even be constitutional?


33 posted on 07/12/2023 8:08:17 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Mr. K

I think if you break up the electoral distribution by popular distribution, that makes the whole thing moot and you’re back to popular vote only.


34 posted on 07/12/2023 8:12:18 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Dems always do stupid stuff like this. They shoot themselves in the foot. Wish they’d do that more.

They always come up with schemes, then don’t like it when the Repubs can use it against them. Like the Special Counsel, remember?


35 posted on 07/12/2023 8:18:28 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: PGR88

As long as there is Dominion “counting” the votes, the whole idea is moot.


36 posted on 07/13/2023 3:50:08 AM PDT by Shady (The Force of Liberty must prevail for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren...)
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To: ChicagoConservative27; All

Terrific. Why not just let the idiot voters on either coast run America? I mean, CA and NY (aided by DC!) are proving that they care doing SUCH a STELLAR JOB of running their own states. *Rolleyes*

(Last person out of NYC and LA - please turn out the lights!)

Quit screwing with the one and only properly designed Constitution in the world! If you can’t sell your Communist Agenda without fraud and arem-twisting, it’s obvious that the majority of ‘We The People’ don’t WANT what you’re selling!

Michiganders? Knock it off! Unfortunately YOU are also part of ‘Flyover Country’ and we need all the help we can get these days!


37 posted on 07/13/2023 5:33:28 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Does this mean that the Electoral College would be eliminated? If it does, NY and Cali will determine elections, right?


38 posted on 07/13/2023 2:11:55 PM PDT by know.your.why
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To: ChicagoConservative27

AND it’s easier to cheat in a poopular vote system.


39 posted on 07/13/2023 5:42:40 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I’m thinking more like COUNTY level.

There are some 3500 voting districts- the democrats only need to win 57 of them to win.

I’d rater the other 3400 have a say.


40 posted on 07/14/2023 10:46:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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