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‘Ambitious’ Biden regulation would 'force' most Americans out of gas cars, critics say
The Center Square ^ | 5/17/23 | Casey Harper

Posted on 05/18/2023 6:07:48 AM PDT by CFW

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To: CFW

You forgot the High Speed Choo Choo pipe dream!


21 posted on 05/18/2023 8:04:57 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna)
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To: Carriage Hill; All

ERROR CORRECTION...

“conversion to ICE”

Should be...

“conversion to EVs”


22 posted on 05/18/2023 8:20:42 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: CFW

So Biden will still be President in 2032? OK then lets all worry. 🙄


23 posted on 05/18/2023 8:39:01 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Bob434

“Democrats want to ruin all that. Everything they touch turns to crap. They want us living like a third world country while the e.ites enjoy all the freedoms and perks that they have taken away from us.”

Yes, it’s really that simple. They are using the subterfuge of bogus “climate change” to do all this. NONE of what they are doing will make one iota’s bit of difference to the climate. So the only explanation is that they are tyrants, no different than the Soviet Politburo, and they seek to reduce us to servitude.

While doing that, they are going to cover our beautiful land with millions of ugly windmills and hundreds of square miles of solar panels.


24 posted on 05/18/2023 8:47:34 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else…)
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To: butlerweave
The managerial class in both corporations and government is out of control and can do whatever it wants and never suffers the consequences of its own bad decisions. In government they are never fired or arrested for criminal behavior unless it endangers the managerial class, and in big companies they can extract profits and drive the company into bankruptcy, keep their gains and move on to loot another company or just be bailed out by the government (SVB is the latest example).

No skin in the game.

25 posted on 05/18/2023 10:18:30 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...

26 posted on 05/18/2023 10:42:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: CFW

We can all snack on our bugs as we wait for our public electric bus to come along to take us someplace they allow.


27 posted on 05/18/2023 11:24:38 AM PDT by Gritty (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution. - Saul Alinsky)
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To: pierrem15
The managerial class in both corporations and government is out of control and can do whatever it wants and never suffers the consequences of its own bad decisions. In government they are never fired or arrested for criminal behavior unless it endangers the managerial class, and in big companies they can extract profits and drive the company into bankruptcy, keep their gains and move on to loot another company or just be bailed out by the government (SVB is the latest example). No skin in the game.

Partner, you ain't lying.

28 posted on 05/18/2023 11:30:19 AM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (The Business of America is Business)
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To: Sirius Lee

I’ve been a German car guy for a long time. I am looking at Toyota on this next go around for exactly this reason.


29 posted on 05/18/2023 11:59:31 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Mark17

You vill valk, bike, und take public transit und you vill like it.


30 posted on 05/18/2023 12:01:01 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: butlerweave

How can corp/people conduct business when the presidency goes from communism to capitalism every few years? It’s getting ridiculous. I thought congress made all the laws? lol


31 posted on 05/18/2023 12:07:48 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (#PureBlood)
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To: Sarcazmo

Oh no there was definitely a chip shortage. People in the industry saw that coming for over a decade. Supply has barely been able to meet demand for a while. Every time somebody built a new factory a new wave of “smart” appliances would jump demand up. Then you add supply chain issues from the lockdowns and boom chip shortage. It was always a when not an if on that. And it will happen again. We so many chips in so many things, and new tech discourages storage of old supply and causes constant retools.


32 posted on 05/18/2023 12:13:41 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Salman

Basing this on what the “elites” seem to be about, I don’t think they will ever inherit the planet. This is based on what is stated in the Holy Bible as to what is God’s plan for mankind. The “elites” need to read it & start acting accordingly. Right now, today, is soon enough hopefully.


33 posted on 05/18/2023 12:39:02 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: discostu

Well, I am not buying it for the following reasons:

1. The media lies like a rug, this is not even debatable.
2. There was no shortage of phones or TVs that I saw.
3. No shortage of EVs. Those take a lot of chips, right?
4. It’s still going on (really?... c’mon... really?)
5. It was never seriously investigated or examined.
6. It was what the left ‘splained me what was going on (this alone is enough to know its a big lie).
7. It aligns nicely with this administrations goals.
8. I just read one of the big foundries or whatever posted a loss this year.
9. No CEOs attempted to solve the problem and corner the market. (this is just weird).


34 posted on 05/18/2023 12:39:56 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: Sarcazmo

Well that’s on you. The chip supply and demand problem was being discussed right here on FR in the early 2010s. It was real. One of the first places the problem hit was high end GPUs, starting about 2015 getting those was a nightmare, and is still rough.

All cars were running into chip problems.

Things have mostly mellowed out, but when normal demand is 100% of supply, and then supply runs into an issue demand stacks and supply has no “beef up” to meet it with.

PLENTY of CEOs have been attempting to solve the problem. But chip factories take time to build. And the rate at which the tech changes existing factories have to be redone constantly. And, like I already said, and you studiously ignored, demand KEPT RISING.

It’s reality. It’s been reality for over a decade. Stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it ain’t so if you must. But that just makes you a person that has decided to be ignorant.


35 posted on 05/18/2023 12:45:25 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

You addressed none of my points, Stu. This ain’t the Ivy leagues partner, you need to come to the table with something.

But I get it... you go to war with what you got. And Stu, once again you just aren’t packing the gear.

And there you go with the insults again, you’re quick to go there. But at least you’re not on the asses again. I thought you were channeling my little aspiring proctologist buddy from Berlin.

Hmm... haven’t talked to him for a while, hope he’s ok.


36 posted on 05/18/2023 12:58:43 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: Sarcazmo

I addressed ALL your points. You just don’t like the answers.

I came to the table with FACTS. This chip shortage has been predicted. Heck the first inklings I saw were in the early 2000s when the “internet of things” (beginning of “smart” appliances) was first getting going. People in the industry were saying then there wasn’t that much elasticity in supply chain and putting chips in everything was going to dramatically increase demand and supply might have a hard time keeping up.

When you declare you don’t care what the facts are you are choosing to be ignorant. That’s not an insult. That’s a fact. Yet another one you’re going to ignore.


37 posted on 05/18/2023 1:04:45 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

“PLENTY of CEOs have been attempting to solve the problem. “<-— not a fact. Its something someone on the internet said.

There are almost no new cars available on dealer lots.

Biden admin wants to ban gas cars.

Problems with cars started shortly after his watch started.

^-— facts that anyone can observe

If it turns out I’m wrong, you’ll be first to know. But so far, there have been no mere coincidences with this current regime.


38 posted on 05/18/2023 1:13:47 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: Sarcazmo

Absolutely a FACT. New factories get built. But the demand increases during the build (remember chip factories are a hard build, you need very high end clean rooms, and a lot of other high tech machines, machines that require chips, can you see the problem?). By the time the factory is built supply is once again breaking even.

Plenty of chunks of business are still dealing with the chip shortage. Car manufacturers have the problem that they use low end low profit chips. If you’re manufacturer and you know you can’t meet all your demand who are you going to favor? The guys who pay you $100 per unit or $10? That math is easy.

You are wrong. This is the 4th time I’ve explained it to you. And will be the 4th time you yell “LALALALALA.


39 posted on 05/18/2023 1:21:04 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

That’s right, you have excitedly and passionately ‘splaind me the party line. Four times, no less.

But common sense and casual observation indicates otherwise. And I’m 10 for 10 with this funky cabal.

Your apples and milk are ready!


40 posted on 05/18/2023 2:09:24 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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