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Russia Collapses
KyivPost.com ^ | Saturday March 18, 2023 | Diane Francis

Posted on 03/18/2023 3:57:13 AM PDT by canuck_conservative

What’s known is that $250 billion in capital has left, equivalent to 14 percent of its GDP. One expert guesstimates that Russia’s economy has shrunk from the size of Italy’s to Chile’s in the past year — you wouldn’t know this based on bogus figures fed to the media by Moscow. Economist Janis Kluge of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs (SWP) calculates that Western sanctions alone have also “basically shrunk Russia’s economy by 10 percent”, bigger than what happened in the 2009 financial crisis.

What is also known is that immediately after the invasion of Ukraine, an estimated 3.8 million Russians left, according to official figures published mid-year by Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB). In early 2022, there were three waves of departures, including middle class families, political opponents, draft dodgers, millionaires, and IT or other skilled workers... But even if most of these came back, the country suffered another exodus in the fall of an estimated one million after Putin’s announced military conscription. That scale of both mass migrations has also blown a hole in its economy.

.... In 2022, Russia’s military cost US$300 million a day and Moscow raked in US$800 million a day from energy exports. Since the caps began, revenues have fallen to US$200 million a day and head lower....

(Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...


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To: buwaya

>> Or for that matter how they intend to fight China. This is a critical point.

As though you’d know, spaniard.

You’re blowing clueless propaganda smoke with an air of authority that is, in reality, not yours to wield.

P.S. HIMARS *are* essential to our warfighting capability, they *are* being depleted, and the lead time to replenish them (and certain other armaments, most notably SAMs) is long to VERY long. I have the receipts.

Instead of blowing phony propaganda smoke here, why don’t you lobby your own government to step up to the plate, spaniard?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-02-24/these-countries-have-sent-the-most-aid-to-ukraine

https://www.thelocal.es/20220301/how-spain-is-helping-ukraine-and-is-it-enough

You live in Europe. This is a European war. Spend your own damn treasure on it, you thieving parasite.


41 posted on 03/18/2023 4:51:41 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: canuck_conservative

How do you know? You must be one of Turdeau’s slackers.


42 posted on 03/18/2023 4:52:10 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: buwaya
During the height of the second Iraq War, we had to import ammunition from Israel because our munitions manufacturers could not keep up with the demand. That was almost 20 years ago, and the American manufacturing capacity has declined since then. “Green” regulations and continued offshoring of manufacturing have adversely affected both us and the rest of the NATO alliance. We are lucky because the Russians are appearing incompetent and Ukraine and Poland are showing backbone.
43 posted on 03/18/2023 4:52:12 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

Because of the war in Ukraine, the United States, other NATO countries and allies outside of NATO are increasing weapons research, development, manufacturing capacity, and production.


44 posted on 03/18/2023 4:52:25 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: McGruff

The Zeepers use Alinsky tactics and project on to others what is happening with their own interest.

They are very leftist.


45 posted on 03/18/2023 4:55:00 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

She is a Zeeper kind of journalist.


46 posted on 03/18/2023 4:57:26 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: familyop

War is the health of the state.

The state is not your friend.


47 posted on 03/18/2023 4:57:58 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: McGruff

Because the pension funds are required by law to buy Ukraine sovereign debt, which no money manager in the world would buy except at gunpoint.

They use leverage, so giving the money to the pension funds is multiplying its effect by a factor of 2 or 3. It works unless the value of the notes drops by more than 30% from here, which probably won’t happen since the Biden admin would undoubtedly backstop the debt.


48 posted on 03/18/2023 4:58:45 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: hardspunned

You are comparing Russia with America. That is erroneous comparison.

A better comparison must be with a smaller nation........ Mexico or Chile for instance.

The population of all of Russia is less than the Indonesian island of Java


49 posted on 03/18/2023 5:07:20 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: canuck_conservative

If Russia loses big in Ukraine this spring and summer... Then Putin will be killed, ousted or both. This fake Tsar has six months to win or die.


50 posted on 03/18/2023 5:10:33 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Wallace T.
“China knows this and is allowing Russia to grind down the West.”
IMHO, I believe it is more then that. Russia is China's western defense against U.S. and NATO. If Russia collapsed and basically “surrendered” to the West's demands, China would stand alone against the U.S. and those allied to it. The BRICS coalition would dissolve and China's dream of destroying the dollar as the world's reserve currency would end.
51 posted on 03/18/2023 5:15:58 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: canuck_conservative
Putin is running Russia into the ground with this grinding, expensive, unnecessary war

So, why do you keep pushing to keep the war going?

While we may or may not be wearing down Russia, we are foolishly also weakening the U.S., as well as, Europe & N.A.T.O.

Had Biden & the RINOs not facilitated the theft of an election, Trump would have ended the hostilities that had gone on there since 2014.

52 posted on 03/18/2023 5:17:25 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: marktwain

I totally agree. I would add China has a lot more to gain by acquiring resources in their backyard, I.e. Russia, than fighting any foreign wars across the globe. Stalin and Hitler were big buddy’s too for a short time. How long will Putin and Xi be big buds?


53 posted on 03/18/2023 5:22:31 AM PDT by MrKatykelly (Obama was the proof of concept puppet.)
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To: Robert DeLong
why do you keep pushing to keep the war going?

I'm not, Putin is doing that


54 posted on 03/18/2023 5:26:00 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Nervous Tick

I do know, dingbat (the dingbats being of course a proud people with a rich history and a culture which must be respected - necessary disclaimer).

If one cares to take a look at the map of East Asia and the Western Pacific, you will find that it is principally made up of water. Indeed, nearly every land mass that the US and its allies intend to hold on to is separated by hundreds of miles of the damp stuff from any part of China. And if the US wants to reduce the Chinese capacity to do this sort of thing it and its allies will need the means to shoot at, say, the ports, shipyards and airfields of China from a considerable distance.

For the Chinese to get anywhere they will have to sail the ocean blue. And so they will have to be fought in the sea and air. And getting practical here, the relevant weapons are, besides aircraft, long range antiship and land attack missiles. And if the US wants to reduce the Chinese capacity to do this sort of thing it and its allies will need the means to shoot at, say, the ports, shipyards and airfields of China, from a considerable distance.

Things like the TASM - the latest Tomahawk antiship variant, which is badly delayed and in short supply, or the Air Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158C_LRASM

The normal HIMARS GLMRS munition is too short ranged (80km) to be relevant. Even the ATACMS munition has limited utility. It would reach the Chinese fortified islands in the South China sea from, say, Palawan island or a good slice of coastal Fujian from Taiwan, but thats it. And its useless against moving targets. And the US is not supplying ATACMS to Ukraine.

As for SAMS - which US SAMS are being depleted in Ukraine? Whayt proportion of launchers in service in US forces are deployed there? Yes, show the receipts.

So, go down the list of your annoyances, and given the nature of the forces and geography of the region (yes, look at a map), keeping in mind that the US is NOT going to fight a “land war in Asia” if it can possibly help it, let me know what you think - in detail, having done your homework, and having applied the entirety of your brain to the questions you turn up. I despise lazy people btw.


55 posted on 03/18/2023 5:33:24 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Robert DeLong
we are foolishly also weakening the U.S., as well as, Europe & N.A.T.O.

Right, destroying the conventional military power of our regional rival, Russia is weakening the US and NATO. NATO who is now welcoming its newest member Finland.

56 posted on 03/18/2023 5:42:39 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: canuck_conservative

Hopium is a helluva drug. You are getting high on your own supply Cuck Canuck.


57 posted on 03/18/2023 5:50:12 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: Nervous Tick; buwaya
Maybe Spain will start producing HIMARS systems or ammunition, too.

Rheinmetall eyes boost in munitions output, HIMARS production in Germany
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/rheinmetall-eyes-boost-munitions-output-himars-production-germany-ceo-2023-01-28/

Production in the U.S. is already increasing, and more production capacity is about to be added.

58 posted on 03/18/2023 5:53:55 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Robert DeLong

Russia can end the war overnight and stop their bleeding.

All they have to do is leave the territories they took in 2022.

The aid the US and NATO have provided Ukraine is a negligible fraction of the GDP’s of these countries. There is no “weakening”.

Trump certainly would have prevented this war, no question. It was the Biden administrations gross errors that left Putin with the idea that he could get away with his aggression. Trump, for one, would never have permitted Nordstream II.


59 posted on 03/18/2023 5:56:27 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

Number one, I don’t march to your orders, spaniard parasite.
Number two, I already DID show the receipts. To you. Go back and look. I despise lazy people btw.


60 posted on 03/18/2023 6:00:51 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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