Posted on 01/30/2023 6:00:52 AM PST by Eleutheria5
The war between Russia and Ukraine started long before February 24, 2022. Russian aggression has been constant ever since Vladimir Putin came to power in the late nineties. However, it was the illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014 that started the current conflict. The crazy part is NATO and the rest of the world just watched as Russian forces invaded Crimea in an eerily similar way to how Nazi Germany annexed Austria, Czechoslovakia, and the Rhineland before launching its invasion of Poland and starting World War II.
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1) Does Russia have a history of owning Ukraine?
2) Can Ukraine do without Crimea?
Russia has a history of invading foreign countries, subjugating them, deporting their populaces, and annexing their territory.
2) Can Ukraine do without Crimea?
Can you do without your left kidney? Good! My operatives will be over this evening to relieve you of it!
Regards,
Crimea can sure do without Ukraine.
It’s 95% ethnic Russian population got water, power, and transportation links back.
“Russia has a history of invading foreign countries, subjugating them, deporting their populaces, and annexing their territory.”
The Turks want the territory the Russians grabbed back.
The Ukraine can sh! in one hand and wish in the other...
Instead of taking Crimea, let’s just drag our $**t-stirring neocons through the streets - until they’re skinned alive.
“Retaking Crimea Would Destroy Russia”
Understanding what is going on in Russia, it now seems likely the Ukraine War can only end in full blown civil war in Russia.
The Putin clique will not go quietly. Russia is on the path to is war between:
1) A pro-liberty people’s movement based in the main cities and backed by the west.
2) A Putin faction based in central Russia and backed by China
3) An Islamist force controlling the south funded by Saudi
A war like this would see death and brutality on an exponentially larger scale than what is happening in Ukraine.
“It’s 95% ethnic Russian population”
Important to remember that before 1944 there were almost no Russians in Crimea. Stalin had the inhabitants cleansed and replaced with the Russians who are there now.
Really.. so give us a history lesson about Ukraine and Crimea... as it has no history other then the USSR took Crimea from Russia and gave it to Ukraine back in the 50’s when they we both part of the Soviet Union
Crimea has long been part of Russia, for centuries. Even when Crimea was located within Ukraine it had a special status. It had its own parliament. It had RUSSIAN military bases, not Ukrainian. And even the Western media acknowledges that in a referendum, the people of Crimea voted to rejoin Russia.
So yes, Ukraine can survive without that kidney.
> Russian forces invaded Crimea in an eerily similar way to how Nazi Germany annexed Austria, Czechoslovakia, and the Rhineland <
Poor argument. The Rhineland was historically part of Germany. One could argue that Germany had a right to occupy the Rhineland. But Austria and Czechoslovakia were most certainly not part of Germany. Germany had no right to occupy those countries. To lump all three regions together shows either laziness or a lack of knowledge on the part of the author.
Ah, but there are analogies here. Crimea is to Russia as the Rhineland is to Germany.
And Ukraine is to Russia what Austria and Czechoslovakia were to Germany.
It is all about geography and control over the strait.
The relationship between the Ukraine and Russia goes way back to the beginning of the Kievan Rus in the 800s AD.
What was doesn’t really matter.
What is, is that Russia criminally invaded and occupied Crimea and is now losing the war of occupation.
In 1991, the Russian Federation recognized Ukraine's borders - including the Crimea belonging to Ukraine.
This was agreed upon in several international treaties to which Ukraine and Russia were signatories.
Then, in a Nacht-und-Nebel-Aktion, Russia seized the Crimea in 2014.
That's all anyone needs to know.
Regards,
“Crimea is to Russia as the Rhineland is to Germany.”
Impossible comparison. Don’t know why the narrator brought in the Rhineland. Seems it’s a typo and he should have mentioned the Alsace Lorraine Valley, which was disputed between France and Germany. It was nominally awarded to Germany after WW I, but France’s military was close by, and Germany was barred from militarizing it, which they then did after Hitler took power, basically because France and England at the time believed in peace through weakness.
But back to Crimea. It was originally part of the Mongol Empire, then the Turkish Empire, then briefly independent, then the Catherine the Slutty annexed it, then the Soviet Union took over from the Czars. Then Stalin ethnically cleansed the indigenous Tartars. Then Nikita Kruschev gifted it to the Ukrainian Republic because the peninsula had no fresh water except coming from Donbas. Now Russia is occupying Crimea and the Southern Donbas. OK. But Crimea is to Russia as the Rhine is to Germany? Seriesly? It would suit me fine whatever the people of Crimea decide to do in consultation with Ukraine, after the diaspora of Tartars is returned to their homeland, Crimea. But it’s not integral to Russia, just because they stole it twice.
Prior to the illegal invasion and annexation of 2014, the population of the Crimea was roughly one-third ethnic Russian, one-third ethnic Ukrainian, and one-third Tatar - and it was doing just fine with regards to water, power, and transportation.
I travelled the land in the summer of 2001, marvelled at the beauty of Yalta, visited with relatives, basked in the sun at a Russian military sanatorium in Yevpatoria, etc. And talked extensively with the locals. I asked point-blank if they would rather belong to Russia. They almost unanimously answered that they would rather be independent!
Hardly anyone advocated acceding to Russia.
In any event, Putin's seizure of the Crimea is as illegitimate as Hitler's Anschluß of Austria.
Regards,
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