Posted on 01/30/2023 6:00:52 AM PST by Eleutheria5
So what you are saying is that the mainstream media and the international mainstream media are lying?
What I am saying is that there was no mass killings or expulsions of ethnic Russians, nor has the mainstream media ever reported such.
Why don’t you go and read the history of Russia and the Ukraine before you make assinine (yes, I spelled that incorrectly on purpose) comments like yours?
I’ve read plenty of Russian history, thank you very much.
Thanks Eleutheria5.
That’s like saying the US and NATO never promised Russia to keep NATO from expanding. I remember the national news telling us that they would prevent NATO from expanding.
Don’t tell the Russian-speaking Ukrainians or the Russians that.
My prediction is that a future Russian rump-state (called, say, “Greater Moscovy”) will voluntarily return the Crimea to Ukraine.
Regards,
Who is going to force this Russian rump state? Ukraine can’t, which means NATO, which means except for some token European forces Uncle Sucker again. It won’t be cheap or easy to achieve.
I bet the next thing you will tell me is that the Ukraine isn’t the most corrupt country in Europe, that it isn’t against the law to speak Russian in the Ukraine, or that there no Nazis in the Ukraine or in the Ukrainian military.
Please provide documentation (times, places, numbers) for these alleged mass killings and expulsions.
That’s difficult to do when Google’s search results favor the Ukraine.
I have no idea how corrupt Ukraine is, but I would bet that Russia more so. I would not even doubt that the U.S. is more corrupt. In any case, this has no bearing on the right of the Ukrainian people to defend themselves.
…that it isn’t against the law to speak Russian in the Ukraine,…
Just so, it is not against the law to speak Russian in Ukraine. Given the large numbers of Russian speaking Ukrainians, it would be impossible to make it so. The Ukrainian language law, to which you are probably referring, did not make it illegal to speak Russian, as Russian propaganda often claims. Rather, it dictated that Ukrainian be used in all government institutions and that Ukrainian be used along side Russian in all private media.
…or that there no Nazis in the Ukraine or in the Ukrainian military.
Let us be clear on who the Russian define as a "Nazi": Ukrainian nationalists who view themselves as Ukrainians and not as Russians.
Just as I thought, you have no documentation, just baseless Russian propaganda.
That’s difficult to do when Google’s search results favor the Ukraine.
Just as I thought, you have no documentation, just baseless Russian propaganda.
“That is coming.”
Utter nonsense.
You need to quit drinking. And when sober, look at the history of Crimea. Russia has several hundred thousand men buried there from several wars. They turned back the Light Brigade there!
Russia would incinerate the entire world before giving up Crimea. Only the abject stupid think otherwise.
“You need to quit drinking.”
You need to quit resorting to ad hominems.
” And when sober, look at the history of Crimea. Russia has several hundred thousand men buried there from several wars. They turned back the Light Brigade there!”
Lately? There are no cavalry charges lately. There are no massive battles, either, and the dead will not get up to help them.
There is this thing called geography and logistics, however. And if they can’t sustain Sebastopol and their garrisons there by land or sea, they will fall. Because the living need to eat, have wounds tended with basic medical supplies, have ammunition to fight, and water to drink. Right now they have a pretty good naval presence, but they’re minus one functioning bridge, and the land bridge via Kherson is now down, too. That leaves resupply by sea and air, both very vulnerable.
“Russia would incinerate the entire world before giving up Crimea.”
So your argument is either, we’re all gonna die! Let the maniac have Crimea! It keeps him from killing us all! Or that any attempt to take Crimea is maniacal because—Charge of the Light Brigade! Nuclear Holocaust! Bwahahaha!
Sorry, but the 22 years that Russia did without Crimea, the fact that they had to invent a fake separatist movement to create a pretext for grabbing it, so little did the actual Crimeans care for his annexation, and the logistical unsustainability of their continued presence there are far from abjectly stupid arguments.
Putin talks a good nuclear war, but he’s not crazy, and if he does start one, he still won’t have Crimea, because he’ll be dead. As Zelensky pointed out 10 months ago in an interview with David Letterman held in a subway bomb shelter in Kiev, Putin loves life. He’s willing to go to OCD level extremes to keep himself from getting Covid. He does not want to die, even for Crimea.
My argument is simple: Russia WILL USE NUCLEAR weapons to keep Crimea.
Any substantial force that approaches it will be incinerated.
And anyone who believes otherwise is too stupid to keep breathing.
Whether you emote otherwise or not.
No one is going to "force" that Russian rump-state to do anything. As I wrote in my post, "Greater Moscovy" will voluntarily renounce all claim to the Crimea.
If you're asking how the current Russian Federation will be reduced to a rump-state: My prediction is that it will NOT be due to military force. Rather, the same mechanism will be in effect that resulted in the dissolution of the USSR.
Regards,
If you’re asking how the current Russian Federation will be reduced to a rump-state: My prediction is that it will NOT be due to military force. Rather, the same mechanism will be in effect that resulted in the dissolution of the USSR.
Sure, Jan. The Russian people will voluntarily break up their country. As I said, a Great Patriotic War II is more likely.
1. As I stated, there is no need for a substantial force. If they have no logistical supply chain, they will be starved out. Medieval, but effective. If their ships keep sinking suddenly with no battle, just a speed boat armed with a re-purposed anti-tank missile, that’s that. Supply chain gone.
2. Substantial force approaches Crimea. Putin uses a tactical nuke or three. Sebastapol becomes radioactive dump. Real mature, Vlad. Now be prepared for never-ending sanctions, perhaps a nuclear retaliation that could incinerate the globe (uh-oh; Greta’s going to be p!ssed), or a NATO campaign of all-out war against his exhausted conventional forces.
3. Historically, Russia advances when you back down, and backs down when you stand up. JFK proved that. Ain’t gonna be no nuclear “defense” of the stupid peninsula. I’m still breathing, so your belief is mistaken.
4. For the first 22 years of Ukraine’s independence, not only was Crimea a part of it, but Russia agreed to abide by the Budapest Memorandum, to which it’s a signatory, agreeing to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty over its own territory, including Crimea, in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes.
5. Of course, Putin welched on this agreement, but was so hard put to find a pretext to invade Ukraine, that he invented a separatist movement, sending in agents that he later called “little green men,” to concoct one. So your belief in the real Crimeans’ supposed attachment to the Rodina is poppycock. In fact, the Tartars have never forgiven Russia for forcibly removing so many of them from Crimea, scattering them to the four corners of the Workers’ Paradise that he was prison warden of. Ukrainians living there also despise Russia’s imperialism, as likely do the Russians as well. Can’t really ascertain popular support one way or the other in the presently-occupied Crimea. A referendum should be held, after Russia is booted out and Putin meets the same fate as the aforementioned Stalin, and the dust has had a year to settle.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.