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When Students Change Gender Identity, and Parents Don’t Know Educators are facing wrenching new tensions over whether they should tell parents when students socially transition at school. (informative article)
NY Times ^ | January 22, 2023 | Katie J.M. Baker

Posted on 01/28/2023 5:34:34 AM PST by DoodleBob

...The public school that Mrs. Bradshaw’s son attends is one of many throughout the country that allow students to socially transition — change their name, pronouns, or gender expression — without parental consent. Districts have said they want parents to be involved but must follow federal and, in some cases, state guidance meant to protect students from discrimination and violations of their privacy... Educators have also said they feel bound by their own morality to affirm students’ gender identities, especially in cases where students don’t feel safe coming out at home. (emphasis-added)

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Other teachers believe they have a moral responsibility to withhold such information.

“My job, which is a public service, is to protect kids,” said Olivia Garrison, a history teacher in Bakersfield, Calif., who is nonbinary, who has helped students socially transition at school without their parents’ knowledge. “Sometimes, they need protection from their own parents.”

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Courts have ruled that under the Fourteenth Amendment, parents get to make medical and mental health decisions for their children, as well as direct their education and upbringing in other ways, unless they are abusive or unfit. But lawyers for schools have countered that parental rights aren’t absolute. Under the Biden Administration, the Department of Education has said that discriminating against students based on gender identity violates federal policy, although its guidance doesn’t specifically address parental rights.

The American Civil Liberties Union has also argued that it’s unconstitutional for public schools to reveal a student’s gender identity to others. Angry parents can put their child in private school or home-school them, said an A.C.L.U. lawyer, Jon Davidson, who is co-counsel for a school district that was sued by parents in Wisconsin.

“Parents don’t have a constitutional right to dictate to schools how they should create an optimal learning environment for students,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arth; parentsrights; publicschool; sociallytransition; trans
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To: DeplorablePaul
<>"Minor children have no right to privacy. "<>

Could not agree more. Baring egregious abuse, a couple's children are chattel.

41 posted on 01/28/2023 7:37:17 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (DemonRatz to Biden: You've outlived your uselessness. Buh-Bye!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Besides...how do these teachers know the child may be in danger at home if they tell the parents about the kids “social transition” (what ever that means)? The kid could be lying to the teacher and the parents have a right to know what and how the kid is doing in school. It is not appropriate for the teachers to be making these type of decisions for the child or the parent.


42 posted on 01/28/2023 8:06:50 AM PST by JoJo354 (We need to get to work, Conservatives!)
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To: DoodleBob

Why would Putin do this? We must send more weapons to Ukraine and take the war into Russia.


43 posted on 01/28/2023 8:19:05 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: LS

“which means SERIOUS parental involvement in hiring.”

Which means conservatives taking over School Boards.

L


44 posted on 01/28/2023 9:05:26 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: DoodleBob

Once upon a time we were a sane country that widely owned public stocks and whipping posts...


45 posted on 01/28/2023 9:06:42 AM PST by Gritty (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution. - Saul Alinsky)
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To: DeplorablePaul

Not “face”. Minimum 1 year, no discretion.

Let the child molesters get murdered in prison. 1 year should do the trick.


46 posted on 01/28/2023 9:08:18 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: DeplorablePaul

Hell yes.


47 posted on 01/28/2023 9:49:15 AM PST by Theo (FReeping since 1998 ... drain the swamp.)
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To: Tell It Right

Hah! I get it. :-)


48 posted on 01/28/2023 9:50:17 AM PST by Theo (FReeping since 1998 ... drain the swamp.)
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To: chopperk
It is amazing how easily the Homo Lobby has convince educators

The typical "educator" is a low IQ, emotionally unstable Communist.

49 posted on 01/28/2023 9:52:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: LS; dblshot; Lurker; DeplorablePaul; metmom; one guy in new jersey; The Louiswu; chopperk; ...
None of this should be addressed by educators at all...Never....That is not their job...

Many people agree - except the ones with the football, and therein lies a big part of the problem.

One thing that leftists tend to do better than conservatives is to keep the offense on the field, even if they have a 4th and out. To be fair, they can do that because this game's officials (the MSM, most of Leviathan, and about 20% of the nation) are either Establishment Liberals or Progressive Left. Thus, while most people would see a clean tackle on these issues, the officials call a personal foul on the defense and it's a new 1st and 10.

This 20%/statist lot have very quietly but very effectively built an offensive strategy aimed at parent's rights. To do that, they've turned "trans kids" into human shields. (In a few cases, there ARE actual medical situations where parents need care and support; it's a family matter. But those instances are rare. Many other cases are acts of rebellion.) In doing so, these statists have recast (intentionally) this as an issue of contemporary morality, a "civil rights" issue. In this offensive play, it absolutely IS the job of the teacher to address pronouns AND keep it from the parents, because the teachers have an ethical responsibility to the child which trumps the parents' right to know, and under In loco parentis you surrendered certain parental rights when you turned Johnny or Mary over to the school.

Just look at the article to which LS linked, on which there was a separate thread on FR. In short, this organization in 2019 argued that if a teacher deems a problem (e.g., comply with this family’s request to keep a son from activities associated with girls or femininity) to be that of an ethical responsibility (a situation with just one morally justified course of action), and not an ethical dilemma (a situation for which there is more than one possible resolution, which can be justified in moral terms), they can simply ignore the parents.

In the summmer of 2020, when most of us were dealing with re-election and the pandemic, the ACLU wrote a letter to school principals and superintendents saying:

Specifically, without full and voluntary consent by the student, it is against the law to disclose a student’s sexual orientation or gender identity, even to a student’s parents (emphasis added) or other school administrators.

Finally, the National Association of Secondary School Principals issued this ruling in February 2017 (based on the date stamp in the html code) that:

Privacy: Unless the student chooses to disclose certain information, his or her transgender status, legal name or sex assigned at birth is confidential medical information and considered “personally identifiable information” under the Family Educational Rights Privacy Act (FERPA). Disclosure of that information to other school staff or parents could violate the school’s obligations under FERPA or constitutional privacy protections. (emphasis added)

The groundwork for this teacher takeover of parent's rights was laid years ago. To a certain extent, the pandemic messed up their plans because many parents who aren't political saw on Zoom what their kids were learning, and got involved. But, as I said, the left is really good at being aggressive, even if they lose on 4th and goal. Because they know, with a lot of spineless opponents, they'll get the football back.

Anyone who homeschooled their kids had many reasons, but at its core we believe that WE, the PARENTS and GUARDIANS, are the ones who can best call the shots. Our rights in that regard are plenary. And yes, as with all rights, abuses occur. But just like with the right to keep and bear arms, plenary rights cannot be watered down due to the behavior of bad actors.

And yes, while all this may SEEM like a trans or gay thing, that's just the entertainment division of the Educational/Industrial Complex hypnotizing you. Maybe the kids are becoming "trans" like kids became goths as an act of rebellion. They outgrow it (usually).

But the damage will be done. As I wrote earlier, it's just a hop, skip and a jump from teachers ignoring parents on "trans" to promoting collectivism as a virtue to the students, because they have an "ethical responsibility" to do so. Same with "gun control" and "environmentalism" and "reproductive rights."

Their end game? It's always speculative, but it's worth noting that the 10th plank of the Communist Manifesto is "Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

Or, as the Dead Kennedy's said, you'll work harder with a gun in your back, for a bowl of rice a day.

The real fight is far deeper than school boards or curriculum. It must be moved back to teachers themselves, which means SERIOUS parental involvement in hiring.

LS is right. This won't be solved by letters to the editor, or ranting on FR. If you have a child, you must understand this gridiron and that the officials are on the other team's payroll. You must also understand that what's at stake is more than whether you son gets to be called Florence at school.

/rant

50 posted on 01/28/2023 11:22:36 AM PST by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: DoodleBob

Olivia Garrison of Del Oro High School in Bakersfield.

it can be emailed via the high schools web page, I already did.


51 posted on 01/28/2023 3:03:37 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: DoodleBob

The only proper response to gender dysphoria is mental help with a professional who isn’t going to reinforce their mental illness.


52 posted on 01/28/2023 3:12:52 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Blacks have placed stronger chains on themselves than the slave masters of old ever forged.)
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To: DeplorablePaul

There are federal laws. Kidnapping is a federal offense.


Yes, of course there are. Any criminal activity that crosses a state line is pretty much fair game for federal laws. Kidnapping, I believe became a Federal law because of the practice of kidnappers taking their victims across state lines. The Lindbergh kidnapping case may also have played a role.

My point is that unless the ‘grooming’ etc. takes place across state lines, it shouldn’t be a Federal matter under our form of government. All that said, groomers should be punished severely, but with the ‘modern’ trend of claiming the word ‘groomer’ is hate speech that should be punished—who knows how this will play out.


53 posted on 01/28/2023 4:16:48 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: Salman

One or two should get the point across.

Kent State ENDED taking over the dean’s office by hooligans.


54 posted on 01/28/2023 8:04:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DoodleBob

Nailed it.

Hence my comment.


55 posted on 01/28/2023 8:34:19 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: DoodleBob

All true, however I think my point is slightly different. It goes way beyond ranting on FR. It likely will go way beyond even electing school board members, because even the most attentive and responsible are going to be unable to consistently monitor the teachers, which is where the problem exists.

In other words, this is still really relying on gubment to do the parents’ job for them. So, as you suggest, ultimately homeschooling is the only response. However, I fully understand that there are some who either because they are convinced of their own lack of competence in more than a couple of subjects and/or financial restraints one parent cannot remain in the home to educate. So in that case you would do homeschool coops. That will work for a while, perhaps a long while. But to the extent there is growth, ultimately you are back in the same situation of having to rely on someone else (yes, far more closely vetted and without the authority of the gubment behind them) to educate your kids.


56 posted on 01/29/2023 6:33:35 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: LS
Thanks for the reply.

We knew we were over target when we read stories about municipalities and districts fretting about lost tax revenue, erm, enrollment declines. They started with the usual fear porn (e.g. cutting football) because a loss of cash means a loss of power.

Those stories are fun, but they're empty calories. We KNOW they'll find some way to regain that pound of flesh. And, to be fair, a blue-pilled public would vote FOR a property tax increase because they're afraid sports programs will be cancelled (as if; meanwhile music and the arts are gone but that's a separate discussion).

True dat, homeschooling is daunting for many and it often involves a loss of income. On the former, I fear it's really good parents self-selecting out; with apologies to Buckley, I'd entrust the first dozen+ people in the phone book to educate children over the current local faculty. They can't do any worse. On the latter, well...we need a generational re-thinking of the costs of parenthood. Public school, as we discussed, isn't a free good especially when it comes to the essence of a child.

I saw great promise in pandemic "pods" (the MSM vilification of this "privileged" alternative was telling). Indeed, the little DoodleBobs thrived in their coop. I hope that THIS alternative gathers steam - I believe it's better than charter schools and vouchers. I'd say that homeschooling and coops are the educational equivalent of "Going Galt." I'm glad your part of that effort.

57 posted on 01/29/2023 7:47:34 AM PST by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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