Posted on 01/24/2023 4:14:57 PM PST by familyop
The West is poised to send nearly 200 battle tanks to Ukraine in a potential hammer blow that could help Kyiv win its war against Vladimir Putin...It brought the total number of tanks Kyiv can expect to have at its disposal to nearly 200, with potential for more...Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, said the new tank deliveries "would bring nothing good to the future relations".
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
This isn't the cold war and the Soviet Union is no more.
NATO would win if it was willing to engage in the kind of attacks that will make plain it is the entity actually fighting Russia. The attempt to keep that truth a secret makes victory much more difficult, as the Ukrainians by themselves aren’t enough. The trick is giving Ukraine just enough help (especially launder-able money) to stay in the fight, but not enough for the world to figure out definitively that this is a proxy war.
Also, the arms companies stand to make massive fortunes if the conflict draws out - and many Western politicians are eagerly anticipating their cut…
“The military industrial complex needs customers. You just can’t make more tanks, etc. if they don’t get blown up.”
Winner, winner chicken dinner. The only winners will be the arms industry. Only willfully blind cannot see the main purpose is sloshing hundreds of billions around to weapons manufacturers and their kick-backS to US/EU politicians.
NATO is sending missiles, tanks, & cannons to whom exactly? “Low” estimates are now 450k dead/disabled Ukes so far, about 75% of the ‘trained units’ at the start of the war. Conditions are so bad reports are the Ukes are making $900k/day selling drugs to their own soldiers to keep them on the lines. They’re kidnapping men off the streets now to replenish their units - temporarily warms bodies, not soldiers. Who will man these systems? The 14 & 63 year old ‘new recruits’? Drugged out Ukies? NATO crews?
Another 10-15 million Uke refugees have already fled to russia and EU [yes, a large % go to the ‘enemy’ country]. Most will never come back - not to some bombed out, man-less, no utilities, wildly corrupt country. Uke-land is toast and will be a cart&horse economy for the next 20 years.
I care as much about Uke-land now as I did before Feb. 2022, which is barely enough to know where it is on a map and not nearly enough to piss away our own defenses and watch my bank account evaporate because of them. Think gas/food/inflation is high now? Continue down the escalation path and that’ll be the least of your problems.
For all you tranny coke head lovers, for some reason you are in denial the russkies believe this is an existential war against NATO - meaning if it looks like they will cease to exist, so will we. You ready to starve/glow for fricken Ukraine? How about watching your parents and children starve/glow? And before you answer, have you submitted your application to the Uke defense forces yet?
If they control the skies why are the himars still around
Answer
They don’t own the skies, after the first few days and tremendous loses they rarely cross the border
Stand off munitions or bank up fire unguided or pray and spray and boogie back
If Poland is training them, Russia has nothing to fear.
Turkey has been forced to turn to domestic defense companies for upgrades to the Soviet-era tanks. On 24 August 2016, the Turkish military began the operation ‘Euphrates Shield’ (ES) to clear the northern Syrian territory of the ISIS presence.
The cross-border military operation was carried along with Syrian rebel factions of the Free Syrian Army (FSA).
The joint force flushed out the so-called Islamic State (IS) and Kurdish forces who had taken control of the territory. Turkish military campaign carried on successfully until it reached the city of al-Bab, around 40 kilometers east of Aleppo, in December 2016, where the armored vehicles faced a barrage of Daesh and Kurdish missiles.
Turkey had bought one of the best tanks to the battleground – the German Leopard 2A4 – which it had hoped would confront ISIS anti-tank missiles and improvised explosives which had previously destroyed many of the country’s M-60 Patton tanks.
To their surprise, the tanks were unable to stand the adversary firepower with multiple Leopard tanks damaged in the counterfire.
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Some Russian tanks are T90s. Russia has deployed a hodgepodge of tanks dating from a period of forty years - or more.
IIRC the preferred tank in the Russian army was the T72B3, because of serviceability problems with all versions of the T90. The T90s were on the whole considered an export model.
They have a relatively small number of t-90s that until recently they have held back if I recal they lost some 50 t-90As and a few t-90Ss(which were built for export) and even some of their T-90Ms their best
Not very much tank-on-tank apparently.
The big point of the “western” tanks is their offensive capability. They are apparently better protected than what Ukraines got now, plus they have excellent thermal sights, so they would be more useful in attacking entrenched Russian infantry, to permit the Ukrainians to break through.
Ukraine has to attack to take back their lost territory, in order to achieve their war goals.
The US has @6000 M1’s in stock, most of them in reserve.
The US Army may be short of recruits, but its not short of equipment.
Didn’t pay too much attention to it at the time. I don’t remember the US government starting a proxy war with Russia over it so didn’t concern me much.
We don’t have an equipment shortage. We are retiring the bradly and we have 4000 of them. The Stryker is being replaced so they are excess and we have some 6000 abrams but I could be wrong on that number.
These weapons were built to fight Russia/Soviet Union and that is what they are doing
As to China if we are reduced to needing Bradley’s 155s and abrams it is already over
China will be a naval and strategic bomber war we have not touched those assets
Russia is still dangerous and predatory and this our opportunity to end its predatory ways now and hopefully forever. It does not seem to make any difference who runs it or what ideology it spins the more things change with them the more they stay the same. We thought it was over when Communism ended but it has not.
During the research for the creation of this article in GEOPOLITIKI, we saw many videos that showed the main reason for this huge defeat of the Turkish army, which was the incompetence of the Turkish army.
The crews of the Turkish tanks were as if they were outside for a picnic, they were talking and walking outside the tanks at about 2 km from the enemy forces.
A typical example is that, in almost all cases, no one noticed the firing of the guided anti-tank missiles (ATGM) that targeted their tanks.
After the first hit, the Turkish crews, who were supposed to be experienced and well-trained, froze in fear and did nothing to stop the second missile from hitting them. The only thing they did was panic and try to cover away from enemy fire, but they seem to forgot to save their tanks.
In almost all cases, there was no suppressive fire from the other tanks or armored vehicles, and they didn’t even try to remove the Leopard-2A4 tanks or turn on the smoke screens. The Turkish tanks that had not been struck did not return a single shot, as a result of which they were bombarded with anti-tank missiles one after another.
Crimea is and always has been what this is about. Putin is losing his grasp on Crimea for many reasons
Some are newer 92’s but most that still run are T-72’s with upgrades.
The U.S. is spending billions of dollars in equipment to fund Ukraine, yet our soldiers couldn’t get armor plating on their humvees from G W MORON or Rummy in Iraq.
Germany’s fault. Their ability to deliver Leopard IIs, and upgrades, to paying customers is their main hangup.
They can’t or won’t fill orders they’ve already got. They won’t accept production partnerships.
The Koreans look like they are going to take all their markets soon.
Time will tell even with the continuing lying on both sides (if we are allowed to live that long).
We were told Russia would win in 30 days. Yet here we are.
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