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To: Robert DeLong
Turkish incompetence.

During the research for the creation of this article in GEOPOLITIKI, we saw many videos that showed the main reason for this huge defeat of the Turkish army, which was the incompetence of the Turkish army.

The crews of the Turkish tanks were as if they were outside for a picnic, they were talking and walking outside the tanks at about 2 km from the enemy forces.

A typical example is that, in almost all cases, no one noticed the firing of the guided anti-tank missiles (ATGM) that targeted their tanks.

After the first hit, the Turkish crews, who were supposed to be experienced and well-trained, froze in fear and did nothing to stop the second missile from hitting them. The only thing they did was panic and try to cover away from enemy fire, but they seem to forgot to save their tanks.

In almost all cases, there was no suppressive fire from the other tanks or armored vehicles, and they didn’t even try to remove the Leopard-2A4 tanks or turn on the smoke screens. The Turkish tanks that had not been struck did not return a single shot, as a result of which they were bombarded with anti-tank missiles one after another.

Battle of Al-Bab: The destruction of Turkish Leopard

94 posted on 01/24/2023 5:27:21 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
That may be true, but what makes you believe that Ukraine will be more capable?

I'm just relaying that the ISIS "JV team" was able to defeat them. No guarantees that Ukraine will be any more capable with them. It takes time to train personnel how to use them effectively. Will they all arrive in battle ready shape to be put into service immediately, or are they coming out of a mothball state of some sort? Will they arrive with spare parts to repair them? Will they have people trained on repairing them?

Receiving just tanks is one thing. Being able to use them effectively & maintain them is quite another matter.

Russia is logistically in a better position, and they also do no need to get their armament or munitions from someone else either.

How will Ukraine be supplied the munitions? Will they receive them in drips & drabs, or will there be a steady stream? The fact that they are receiving many different types of tanks is another issue also. Because then you have to train operators & mechanics for specific tanks.

We will see how it goes, but receiving the tanks is not an end all that is completely a positive.

118 posted on 01/24/2023 6:13:57 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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