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1 posted on 01/19/2023 3:25:44 PM PST by grundle
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Missouri law states that a person can use deadly force for self-defense but not to protect one's property.

When that property is something big like a home or a car which is necessary to sustain life in a modern society, then it ought to be justifiable self-defense.

2 posted on 01/19/2023 3:28:29 PM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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If convicted ... a sentence for 2nd degree murder in MO can involve a lot of time.

“If convicted for second-degree murder, a person could face Class A felony charges with penalties that include:
- Life in prison without the possibility of parole.
- 10 to 30-years in prison.”


3 posted on 01/19/2023 3:30:54 PM PST by plain talk
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The marxist administrative state: Turning victims into criminals, one day at a time.


4 posted on 01/19/2023 3:31:16 PM PST by TheElectionWasStolen
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Missouri law states that a person can use deadly force for self-defense but not to protect one’s property.

A person's property keeps him alive.   This law is wrong.   Do they still hang horse thieves in Missouri?   No?   Well they should, the same as a car thief.

5 posted on 01/19/2023 3:31:35 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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“… but not to protect one’s property.“

Then you don’t own any property. It’s belongs to any punk that wants to take it.


7 posted on 01/19/2023 3:34:11 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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Sounds like Kress has a problem, he chased after the thug. I can’t say if he feared for his life or not, only Kress and God know. MO needs to change their laws so that you can protect property and provide a bounty for chasing down thug criminals and killing them.


8 posted on 01/19/2023 3:34:30 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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Did anyone else hear Lopez say “Give me the car or I’ll kill you!” to Kress?


11 posted on 01/19/2023 3:37:03 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (The only good commie is one that's dead - Country Joe McDonald)
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It’s sad this mad couldn’t continue his life of crime, really. Just sad. /s


13 posted on 01/19/2023 3:41:07 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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If only we allowed or promoted death penalty for these crimes, just like stealing a horse a century ago, then car theft would not occur very often. But it is not. Problem here from what I read is that he chased the thief down to then shot him. That is problematic. That’s no longer self-defense of person or property. Maybe he pleads temporary insanity, triggered by attempted theft of his car. Maybe he has history of being victimized?


14 posted on 01/19/2023 3:42:13 PM PST by Reno89519 (DeSantis or Anyone But Trump in 2024. Time for Trump to Retire, Spend Time With His Family.)
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A great deterrent against theft.

Maybe God will forgive him. I feel sorry for Kress and his family and the man killed and his family. But, we live in a fallen condition. People should take that in to consideration when committing acts that could get you killed. You can’t depend on your victims obeying laws of any kind. Plus, your victim may just be even more amoral than you are.


16 posted on 01/19/2023 3:45:23 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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Once you start chasing someone, YOU are considered the aggressor. Except maybe in Texas.


17 posted on 01/19/2023 3:46:29 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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Brett Kress

19 posted on 01/19/2023 3:46:45 PM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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I’d vote not guilty.


22 posted on 01/19/2023 3:51:46 PM PST by EEGator
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shot him three times

Maybe Kress was trying to shoot the perp in the leg, but kept missing; thus, trying again and again.


23 posted on 01/19/2023 3:53:14 PM PST by TomGuy
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I would vote for acquittal.


25 posted on 01/19/2023 3:57:10 PM PST by rod5591
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Missouri law states that a person can use deadly force for self-defense but not to protect one’s property...

Theft either by force or the actions of opportunity... must be met with deadly force or the threat of deadly force.

Nobody gets a pass that attempts to steal another persons property. The consequences must be inhibitory. A response of DEADLY force serves as a deterrent to anyone who might turn opportunity into action.

Missouri obviously protects the criminals behavior... and not the justified behavior of the victim,
26 posted on 01/19/2023 3:57:20 PM PST by Bellagio
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Law or not; steal my property and I reserve the right to hunt and kill

If I am on that jury, he is going to walk away. The world is a better place by a factor of 1. Don’t care if it was a car or a candy bar; the act is the same, the result is the same

One person decides that what belongs to someone else; can be taken. Parasites should be exterminated. They serve no purpose, and innocents don’t need to be prey


27 posted on 01/19/2023 4:00:41 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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Missouri law states that a person can use deadly force for self-defense but not to protect one’s property.

Same I heard about Michigan. On WJR a discussion a few years ago led to the giggling moron lawyer laughing (!) about how in MI you cannot protect yourself in a carjacking and the female host said "But a lot of our stories have said the driver and sometimes' their child were killed by the carjacker" and the lawyer said "Still you go to prison if you shoot the carjacker. It's protection of property." She was fuming and said "Well I want to know who the jackasses in the Legislature are who pass idiotic laws like that."

Her first making of a connection between elections and consequences.

32 posted on 01/19/2023 4:07:09 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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Failed the Shoot - Don’t Shoot test.
It is pretty universal that you cannot keep shooting once the thug is no longer an immediate threat.
First offense so hopefully a light sentence, probation sounds right.


38 posted on 01/19/2023 4:11:36 PM PST by Ex gun maker. (Free thinking is now a radical concept, I will not be assimilated by PC or EV groupthink!)
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The left is actively encouraging crime so that the normal people will react and then they will take their guns and put them in jail. While the criminal is not prosecuted.


41 posted on 01/19/2023 4:12:59 PM PST by I want the USA back (News media are pond scum. My pronouns: Haha, heehee, hoho. )
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