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Justifying Attack on Social Security, House Republican Claims People ‘Want to Work Longer’
Alaska Native News ^ | Jan 16 2023 | Jake Johnson

Posted on 01/17/2023 9:24:09 AM PST by 6thavenue

Republican Rep. Rick Allen of Georgia suggested last week that he would support raising the Social Security retirement age—a policy change that would slash benefits across the board—because people have approached him and said they “actually want to work longer.”

Confronted by an advocate in the Capitol Building and asked how the GOP plans to cut Social Security, the congressman responded, “We’re not going to cut Social Security.”

But seconds later, Allen contradicted himself by expressing support for raising the retirement age, saying the move would “solve every one of these problems”—not specifying what the “problems” are from his perspective.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: retirementage; rickallen; socialsecurity
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To: 6thavenue

Interesting that politics is an exception. 90-year-old senators, and they even run for reelection!

But there can be a very useful purpose to having older people as politicians. Society needs to have some people in leadership with some social and historical memory. Journalism has gotten worse under too many young reporters have been more entertained, on the whole, than informed. And these days use phrases like “modern computers.”

Because anything before the 1990s is a hazy, pre-Modern era to them. What they know about important events from that era they learned in a movie or got the propaganda about it in school or college.


41 posted on 01/17/2023 9:47:26 AM PST by Faith Presses On (Willing to die for Christ, if it's His will--politics should prepare people for the Gospel)
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To: Truthsearcher

And SS duns you on your payout if you do.


42 posted on 01/17/2023 9:47:46 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 6thavenue

Ok fine. Kindly refund everything I’ve contributed to the SS fund and we’ll call it even.


43 posted on 01/17/2023 9:47:59 AM PST by fretzer
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To: Faith Presses On

Will this congressman reduce his federal government pension?


44 posted on 01/17/2023 9:48:13 AM PST by 6thavenue
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To: 6thavenue

“Is the House GOP really going to push for raising the Social Security age, so seniors will be too old to get hired - but not old enough to collect Social Security?”

My company is encouraging employees to take retirement at age 56. It can be challenging for those individuals to secure high-paying employment opportunities with other companies. It is a budget/cost trick for a company to save money by replacing older employees.

Employers tend to prefer hiring younger workers at lower salaries, rather than retaining older employees with higher salaries.


45 posted on 01/17/2023 9:48:29 AM PST by DEPcom (DC is not my Capitol after Jan 6th lock downs.)
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To: Leaning Right

“But folks pay into Social Security for their entire working careers. They expect the promise to be kept.”

The Supreme Court in cases that had to review the Social Security law has said more than once Social Security has NO “guarantee” - NONE.

No aspect of the Social Security benefit is “guaranteed”, not the specific benefit amount, the retirement age needed for a maximum benefit, the formula for the benefit or the cost of living adjustment. Everything is able to be adjusted by additional acts of Congress, and in fact Congress has enacted many changes over the years.

People always complain that any adjustment of Social Secuirty is intended to “take away Social Security”. That is historically and currently political scare tactics most of all.


46 posted on 01/17/2023 9:49:00 AM PST by Wuli
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To: cgbg

SS would be solvent (or much longer than now) if they’d stop this SSDI abuse (and the SSI abuse it administers.)


47 posted on 01/17/2023 9:49:15 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 6thavenue

How about they look at crooks on SSI who could work but choose not to? I would support a bounty on turning in people who are cheating at being disabled.


48 posted on 01/17/2023 9:50:31 AM PST by Stormy_MS1 (CHINA VIRUS!!)
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To: JonPreston

They are far more comfortable screwing old people who are going to die soon than they are the young people on SSDI, SSI, Section 8, EITC and Advanced Payment EITC, AFDC, TANF, SNAP and all the rest of the crap give-aways Democrats give non-workers (and soon to be illegals).


49 posted on 01/17/2023 9:53:34 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 6thavenue

Well, the ones telling him that are probably his fellow congress critters and politicians who never retire until they’re carried out feet first, so there’s that...


50 posted on 01/17/2023 9:54:26 AM PST by Smittie (Just like an alien I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: Gaffer

SS is an accounting game—to call it “solvent” assumes a whole bunch of stuff which is just not true.

See post 12.

This is all funny money.

“Solvent” is a term that applies to going concerns—social security is a pure Ponzi scheme—it will “collapse” when the government collapses—not one day before and not one day after....


51 posted on 01/17/2023 9:56:08 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: cgbg
Social Security is a classic Ponzi scheme:

It is. It is also unconstitutional and socialist in nature.

And it is defended tooth and nail by supposed "conservatives" on a supposedly "conservative" discussion forum.

America is doomed ...

52 posted on 01/17/2023 9:56:24 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: DEPcom

I’m considering calling Rep Rick Allen’s office (202) 224-3121 and RESPECTFULLY asking if he has a list of companies that will hire seniors at middle class wages, or even hire them at all. If he knows of such companies, great, because I have friends and relatives who would love to apply!


53 posted on 01/17/2023 9:57:11 AM PST by 6thavenue
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To: 6thavenue
I have worked in the past with a company whose business model is built on hiring two types of employees:

1. Young people, up to the age of 26.

2. Retirees, age 65 and older.

They established this business model for no other reason than to get around employer health insurance mandates under ObamaCare and state law.

The younger workers are covered under their parents’ health plans. The older workers are on Medicare.

It’s ludicrous that any of this would even be a consideration in running a business … but that’s America today.

54 posted on 01/17/2023 9:57:31 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: KTM rider
Social security is no where near enough to live on
That really isn't true in all cases. Certainly it's not true for me.

I live modestly, have no desire to spend for vacations, fancy foods at home, I rarely eat out or buy new clothes. I own my home and auto, and drive little. Medicare and supplemental insurance cover most of the medical costs (knock wood) though that could certainly change.

The $31,000/year I receive, net, covers my expenses, even including the costs for my one hobby - constructing a HO scale model railroad, which isn't cheap for buying tools, materials and components.

That's how it looks today and for the last several years. I do fully realize tomorrow could bring a new reality. We'll see...

55 posted on 01/17/2023 9:58:05 AM PST by citizen (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people - John Adams 1798)
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To: 6thavenue

Nothing is stopping us from working longer if we want to. Hell, all the Walmart greeters are late 60’s and 70’s.


56 posted on 01/17/2023 9:59:41 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Jesus Christ is THE Way, THE Truth & THE Life. He and He alone IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN!! No other)
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To: Wuli

I agree with your post.

However, the key word in my post was “expect”. Folks expect to get what the were promised, even if that promise can legally be broken.

If the GOP wants to mess around with Social Security, they are free to do so. And it might even help the country. But it will also mint many more Democrats.


57 posted on 01/17/2023 10:01:27 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: NorthMountain

“Social Security is a classic Ponzi scheme:”

Just like every other government expenditure, even the Defense Department and the pay for Marines, Army and Navy. No government program, pension or payroll can continue unless tax money keeps flowing in. If the money stops coming in - like a Ponzi scheme that runs out of “investors” - the payments/benefits/salaries/appropriations would have to stop.


58 posted on 01/17/2023 10:02:00 AM PST by 6thavenue
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To: Alberta's Child

Interesting business plan!


59 posted on 01/17/2023 10:03:19 AM PST by 6thavenue
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To: NorthMountain

Social Security is a nation’s poison pill.

It guarantees that the nation will collapse financially—all the rest is timing and details.

Once taken there is no antidote.

The symptoms can be tinkered with at great political cost, but at the end of the day the nation disappears in the dust-bin of history.

The issue is not “when will social security be insolvent”—that is irrelevant.

The issue is when the US .gov becomes unable to generate enough cash (that will be accepted by creditors) to pay its bills.

That collapse may be a few years off or a few decades off—but it is coming as certainly as the sun rises in the morning.

No currency lasts forever.

No nation lasts forever.

That is the ultimate flaw in “social security”—and tinkering won’t fix it.


60 posted on 01/17/2023 10:04:16 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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