Posted on 12/24/2022 8:54:51 AM PST by Kazan
My short answer to the question — Yes! I received an interesting response to my request for opinions on what constitutes the “Endgame” in Ukraine from a man named Matt. Here is his analysis:
The end game is to diminish/weaken Russia. The US has determined they cannot fight and win a war against both China and Russia. The US and it’s allies have sought to pick off the weaker of the two. The longer the US bleeds out Russia, via Ukraine, the better. Not all NATO (think Germany) were onboard with the plan. Hence, NATO starts talks with Ukraine about joining. Such talk provoked a response from Russia. Blowing up Nordstream forced Germany fully on board. The US/NATO will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. NATO weakens Russia; US clears the decks to more capably deal with China; arms manufacturers make money, and politicians skim money here and there. The way the conflict is currently postured, this can go on for some time, all of which benefits US/NATO. Last thought, the EU will need to take laboring oar on rebuild. Current projections are $1 trillion and rising. EU will need to issue bonds. Interest rates currently too high. Plus, you get into problems between the rich northern countries, and poorer southern countries ((PIGS)). The US won’t publicly announce they win by weakening Russia, by taking away a Chinese ally, and saddling Europe with a generation of debt, but that seems to be happening. What do you think?
My response — “Matt, Thank you for taking the time to write something thoughtful. I think the facts on the ground contradict you. For example, the US economy is in recession with the added whammy of inflation. Russia’s economy is growing not shrinking. It is the United States that cannot supply Ukraine with an adequate supply of artillery rounds and HIMMARs. Russia by contrast is not running out of weapons/missiles. It continues to fire and hit targets in Ukraine. It is the US that is bleeding out.
Why do you believe that the US is so strong militarily? We no longer meet recruiting goals and the military leadership is more worried about proper pronouns rather than a competent military.”
I think Matt is correct observed that the original plan of the United States and NATO was to “bleed out” Russia. The phrase, “bleed out,” refers to an arterial wound that cannot be staunched. A person with such a wound will die within four minutes if the bleeding is not stopped. Only one little problem — Russia ain’t bleeding; it is NATO and the United States that are hemorrhaging.
The Wall Street Journal published a news item this week making this very point, Europe Is Rushing Arms to Ukraine but Running Out of Ammo:
Europe, home to some of the world’s largest weapons manufacturers, is struggling to produce enough ammunition for Ukraine and for itself, jeopardizing NATO’s defense capacity and its support for Kyiv, officials and industry leaders say.
A lack of production capacity, a dearth of specialized workers, supply-chain bottlenecks, high costs of financing and even environmental regulations are putting a brake on efforts to increase output, presenting the West and Ukraine with a fresh challenge for next year.
The United States and its European allies have been deceived by their use of military force over the last 30 years. They have never had to fight a peer nation with the capability to produce all of its own military equipment that is on par with what the West relies on. They have deployed their military forces against ill-equipped, poorly trained armies that lacked air power and effective artillery and tank forces. The United States and NATO were lulled into a state of complacency.
Compounding the problem was the decision of the West to shift much of its manufacturing capability to foreign countries. American can no longer do what it did in the wake of Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, when the United States switched its massive industrial base into manufacturing tanks, planes, ammunition, battleships and air craft carriers. Modern day America specializes in producing grotesquely expensive, unreliable weapons that take months and years to appear on a battlefield.
This also is an intelligence failure. It appears the CIA bought into the nonsense that Russia had a small, weak economy and would crumbled in the face of Western sanctions. A real analyst would have raised the fact that sanctions, historically, have been ineffective in forcing regime change. Cuba and Iran are primary examples. It looks like the CIA donned its cheerleading uniform, complete with Blue and Yellow pom poms, and parroted the lie that Russia could not produce the rockets, artillery shells and precision missiles to support a long war. We are ten months into Russia’s “Special Military Operation” and they continue to shred Ukraine’s troops and infrastructure like a lethal Energizer Bunny — those pesky Rooskies keep going and going.
We enter the New Year under a dark and dangerous cloud. The failure of the United States and NATO to stop Russia may lead the Western alliance to act with more desperation and recklessness. Russia, for its part, admitted as much this week and is taking steps to bulk up its forces in the event this escalates into a World War. I continue to pray for peace, but there are no Western leaders embracing that approach. They are pinning their hopes on getting rid of Vladimir Putin without taking a moment to consider that Putin’s replacement would likely be more nationalistic and less inclined to negotiate. We are living in an historic, epochal moment that likely signifies the beginning of the end of American dominance in world affairs.
The US wants this war to last forever. The kickbacks from Ukraine are making a lot of corrupt politicans even richer.
“Appears to me that Russia is bleeding NATO”
Including the sanctions against Russia which have backfired.
Yeah. It’s some really bad theater...
Hard to watch it on the House floor. These trashheads will do anything to protect their cash flow.
Who will succeed Putin? It barely matters. Even an extreme nationalistic leader will be able to do little with the Russian military broken and the country in crisis.
How many NATO troops have been killed?
Another benefit to China is to discredit Russian weapons on the world stage, thus enabling more sales of Chinese weapons.
How much money and blood must be spent to cover up the Democrat crimes in Ukraine?
Since March, we've been told that Russia was running out of missiles and ammo. Literally every month we've seen that in the media.
When are people like you going to wake up and realize both the Biden regime, Deep State and the Ukrainians have lied and continue to lie.
The Biden regime and Deep State lie about everything but some alleged conservatives believe them about this war. It's the most outrageous thing I've seen at this site.
DC neocons are promoting “regime change” in Russia - its entirely possible it may happen to them first.
Having watched one great lie and manufactured narrative after another come out of Washington DC and its state-controlled media for the last 20 years, we can automatically assume everything they tell us about Ukraine is also completely false.
Ya think??
Its impossible to take you seriously because you always speak in hyperbole.
The witch and the strip club manager.
Check out the hollywood style debut of the new B-21 bomber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJWLTwh5PDk
Was at a buddy's and saw 6pm news. Lots of blue and yellow colors, including a custom version of the NBC logo. They interviewed a pretty Ukrainian girl who cooks gourmet desert treats. OnThere was a commercial for a TV special about looking back at the Vietnam War. Coming home, heard a radio commercial for the same.
https://www.investopedia.com/2023-national-defense-authorization-act-6931017
Congress will soon vote on a record-shattering $857 billion defense spending bill that authorizes $45 billion more than Biden requested. Included in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2023, finalized on December 6, is the establishment of a multiyear no-bid contract system
https://www.wanttoknow.info/a--war-caucus-always-wins
Celebrating the new Bomber, hollywood style. Multiyear no-bid contract system. TV show reminiscing about the Vietnam War. This weaken Russia war is going to last for years.
20 members of Congress personally invest in top weapons contractors
Another Republican, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, bought between $1,001 and $15,000 in Lockheed Martin shares on February 22.
Couple of days before Russia invaded. Now she's all pro Kev. Did she get a little stock tip from Kev? He's promised her those committee spots back and that's where the money is. Hate to think she's going swampy but maybe sitting there watching AOC getting rich, was just too much.
My country tis a fee.
The enemy of your enemy is NOT always your friend.
As with World War One, there will be no winners.
How about Russia invaded Ukraine and NATO is super worried to have a victorious Russia moving its border West to Poland and then Germany?
How about Russia get the hell out of Ukraine and it won't have to “bleed” anymore?”
I am glad that there are other persons on this board who can see what is plainly going on. Bleeding Russia is the right thing to do since it is still a dangerous predatory country. we did not choose to bleed Russai first though. Russia chose itself to be bled first when it attacked Ukraine.
“Sonar 21” ??
seriously?
you’re still using this BS Russian propaganda site as a source??
LOL
“How much money and blood must be spent to cover up the Democrat crimes in Ukraine?”
Let’s be honest. Replace “Democrat” with “establishment”.
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