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Is This Winning? Western leaders can no longer hide the truth about Ukraine.
The American Conservative ^ | December 19, 2022 | George D. O’Neill Jr.

Posted on 12/19/2022 6:35:41 AM PST by NorseViking

Recently, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen carelessly revealed the devastating cost of the Ukraine war.

“It is estimated that more than 20,000 civilians and 100,000 Ukrainian military personnel have died to date,” she said. The comment drew sharp backlash and the E.C. later deleted the comments from video recordings of the address. The censorship was left unexplained and demonstrated the confusion of the purveyors of the approved narrative.

If Von der Leyen’s estimate is true, that is nearly ten times the number of dead Ukrainian soldiers reported by the Ukrainian government. The E.C. president’s remark shows that even the strongest backers of this bloody and unnecessary war can no longer hide the truth: Ukraine is at risk of losing.

The mainstream media and the Biden administration insist ad nauseam that Ukraine is winning against Russia. But the facts on the ground do not fit the narrative and the administration and media know it. The war hawks know their cynical Ukraine policy has not succeeded in driving Russia out of Ukraine. Tragically, the Ukrainians are the ones who suffer the immense cost of this foreign policy failure. Their nation is ruined for the sake and at the instigation of the globalist American empire.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
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1 posted on 12/19/2022 6:35:41 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Send lawyers, guns and money.


2 posted on 12/19/2022 6:36:39 AM PST by gathersnomoss (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: NorseViking

120,000 dead?.......................


3 posted on 12/19/2022 6:37:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

I think it is more at this point


4 posted on 12/19/2022 6:39:31 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

As long as Jo Jo the Pedo Clown keeps the big billions money rolling in, the Ukies will continue “winning”.


5 posted on 12/19/2022 6:40:08 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Amerika! The whole world is watching and laughing their asses off. )
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To: NorseViking

It’s pretty shameful to watch places like “The American Conservative” become Fake News outlets on behalf of Russia.

Just like with Elon Musk imploding, a short lived idol, how nuts will these people go when Russia’s defeat becomes too obvious to deny?


6 posted on 12/19/2022 6:40:20 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: NorseViking

What bugs me is people supporting this malicious, deadly mayhem out of some warped sense of “patriotism”, of all things.

It’s one thing to fall for the relentless barrage of fakes news, entirely another to *want* the fake news to be true.

If we get out butts nuked off we’ve got it coming.


7 posted on 12/19/2022 6:40:56 AM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: NorseViking

If Trump would have been potus I’d bet money he would have figured out a deal to avoid this war.


8 posted on 12/19/2022 6:41:22 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: NorseViking
I think the Russians are slow-playing the Ukraine war in part to further bleed the United States. They know that of the billions sent from the U.S. to Ukraine each month, very little of it makes any difference on the battlefield.

9 posted on 12/19/2022 6:41:34 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: NorseViking

The DNC needs it to launder their black money.


10 posted on 12/19/2022 6:44:18 AM PST by bray
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I think the Russians are slow-playing the Ukraine war in part to further bleed the United States.

I saw a photo the other day nice piles of dead Russians, all packed on top of each other, and other photos of Russian tanks fleeing from HIMARS bombardment... in vain.

It takes a special type of dumb to imagine that this is 5 dimensional chess to "bleed the United States" by Russia, a country with a GDP maybe around the size of Illinois PRE-sanctioned.

11 posted on 12/19/2022 6:44:36 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: NorseViking
Tragically, the Ukrainians are the ones who suffer the immense cost of this foreign policy failure.

I feel for the Ukrainians caught in the middle. I pray for their safety.

I also bear in mind that Russia's beef is with the Deep State Cabal (DSC), and this won't end until the DSC is de-fanged in Ukraine. With a Russia<>DSC war, ordinary Ukrainians are not targets (other than by the DSC, as part of a war effort to blame Russia).

DSC includes the powers that be in the US and NATO, so Russia has its hands full.

12 posted on 12/19/2022 6:45:48 AM PST by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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The loss of life is devastating. Would it be far less if the West wasn’t playing its role?

>> The mainstream media and the Biden administration insist ad nauseam that Ukraine is winning against Russia

The reasons are of course not given much consideration. Superficial fidelity is all that matters.


13 posted on 12/19/2022 6:45:51 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: NorseViking

Did the EC really delete the comments from the video recording?1?!?


14 posted on 12/19/2022 6:46:04 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And what if it’s true?


15 posted on 12/19/2022 6:46:55 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: BenLurkin

They did.


16 posted on 12/19/2022 6:47:38 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And how dumb you gotta be to believe bidens lies?


17 posted on 12/19/2022 6:47:55 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: NorseViking

I’m worried about what defeat might bring.

If the west is forced to admit that despite all the lives, money, weapons and psychological arm-twisting, that Russia is still holding gains, will there be a ‘knock over the chessboard’ moment in retaliation?


18 posted on 12/19/2022 6:48:46 AM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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And what if it’s true?

Well, it's not. The Urusula thing, for example, is taken out of context. She contradicted herself in the same speech, so it really depends on which part of the speech you want to believe. The writer wants you to believe it's some kind of Freudian slip and there's a massive conspiracy to hide Ukrainian war dead, even with a host of international observers, journalists and military experts watching the war closely and from within Ukraine itself.

19 posted on 12/19/2022 6:49:08 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: C210N
I feel for the Ukrainians caught in the middle. I pray for their safety.

Ukrainians are not 'caught in the middle', they have shown that they clearly want nothing to do with Putin or Russia.

20 posted on 12/19/2022 6:49:34 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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