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House GOP Group Hints They Will Deal With Democrats to Elect a House Speaker if Kevin McCarthy Doesn't Win
Red State. ^ | November 30, 2022 | streiff

Posted on 12/01/2022 6:43:23 AM PST by george76

The House has a narrow (currently a 220-213 Republican majority that should be finalized at 222-213), and this slim majority has given the Republicans a unique opportunity to beclown themselves and sow doubt as to their ability to organize something as simple as a two-car funeral.

The problem facing the new House majority is the same one that confronted Nancy Pelosi in the outgoing Congress. It takes 218 votes to pass a bill. If five Republicans defect, the bill goes nowhere unless the GOP starts corralling Democrat votes. Passing a bill with opposing party votes because you can’t get your own members to fall in line is not a good look.

To do what needs to be done, the GOP needs a Speaker who is respected or at least feared, on both sides of the aisle. So naturally, Kevin McCarthy was the guy they chose. McCarthy was challenged for the position by Arizona Representative Andy Biggs, and McCarthy won handily by a vote of 188-31.

Oddly enough, in this current environment, a guy like McCarthy might not be the worst choice because he can probably get 218 GOP votes on most things, and he has enough rapport with the half-dozen sane Democrats remaining in the House that he might be able to pull off the illusion of bipartisanship on the odd occasion.

But to get the Speaker’s gavel, McCarthy not only needed a majority of his caucus, but he also needs a majority in the House. That’s where his problem comes in.

The House Freedom Caucus is attempting to trade its support for a guarantee by McCarthy that he will adopt a package of rule changes that will take power from a handful of members close to McCarthy and allow more representatives to participate. For instance, they want the committees to elect their own chairmen rather than having the Speaker appoint them.

Enact a “majority of the majority” rule that legislation passed in a Republican House should be supported by a majority of House Republicans to prevent leadership from cutting deals with Democrats if a bill is not supported by conservatives..

Restore independence of committees by electing committee chairs based on qualifications and effectiveness..

Diversify the Steering Committee so that all House Republicans can have input on committee assignments..

Open the legislative process to allow for amendments. Members have not been allowed to vote on an amendment on the House floor since May 2016, and the Republican 115th Congress, under then-Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), broke the record for the most bills being considered without amendments..

Ensure fiscal responsibility by blocking consideration of any other bill until the House can pass an appropriations bill by August 1. If the House has not acted by September 10, then the Speaker should be prevented from recessing or adjourning until it has passed a spending bill..

From what I’ve read, the second, third, and sixth items have been pronounced dead-on-arrival by McCarthy.

At least five House Republicans — Andy Biggs (AZ), Matt Gaetz (FL), Bob Good (VA), Ralph Norman (SC), Matt Rosendale (MT), and Chip Roy (TX) — have said they will not vote for McCarthy (see Mike Miller’s ‘Doomsday Scenario’: GOP Circular Firing Squad Continues as House Speaker Race Looms for details on that).

Just when you think that things are pretty bad, along comes the Republican Main Street Partnership with a mighty shout of Leeroy Jenkins!

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Don Bacon (NE) says that his group will work with Democrats to get an “agreeable Republican” if the Freedom Caucus doesn’t vote for McCarthy. The result, he says, will be a lot less of a conservative warrior than McCarthy.

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If six members of the House GOP vote for Hakeem Jeffries, we could have a House with a GOP majority but with a Democrat Speaker controlling legislation and appointments. Best casing it, we could end up with a raging RINO elected on a wave of Democrat votes.

For all the ink being spilled about the “danger” that McCarthy is in, no one, at least on our side, is paying attention to the damage this nonsense is doing to the GOP brand. With a House barely under GOP control and a Senate run by the Democrats, the next two years will not be a Golden Age of conservative legislation. I’m not sure that the Freedom Caucus going to the mat on this based on the theory that McCarthy would cave because he needed the votes was the best move. In fact, I really have to question how people who have worked around McCarthy this long could have been caught flat-footed by his refusal to budge. A Speaker elected with a few Democrat votes would be a crushing defeat to the GOP. If a Democrat is elected Speaker, they lose the right to be a political party.

Unless the game is to embarrass McCarthy by requiring multiple ballots for Speaker, I’m really not sure what the end game is or why we voted for these guys.


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To: CFW

While what you state is true, it is also somewhat of an indictment against 45 for not going scorched earth while in office. Yes, it could have gotten ugly (uglier!) and we could have faced a constitutional crisis (been there) but the flag would have been planted further into enemy territory.


21 posted on 12/01/2022 7:12:55 AM PST by No Party Affiliation
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“If you want to have more input, you have to win more elections.”

Yup, after they just intentionally mitigated a large win, so that moderates control who the Speaker is.


22 posted on 12/01/2022 7:14:43 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: george76

More signs the rats cut a deal to give the ‘Republicans” the House. I have no doubt the rats could have stolen a few more seats and kept it.


23 posted on 12/01/2022 7:18:11 AM PST by iamgalt
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To: DOC44
I want someone who is going to go total scorched earth on Democrats 24/7 for the ensuing term of Congress. McCarthy is not that guy. I don't think Newt is interested... but....
24 posted on 12/01/2022 7:20:19 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: george76

I think we are getting confirmation that most elected republicans in DC are not conservative at all. Just RINO democrat assistants as we have long suspected.

The solution is to kick every last one of the scum sucking RINOs to the curb and vote in actual conservative patriots.

The problem is the rinos help the dems cheat in every election in return for getting selected (not elected).

When the ballot box is fully corrupted and no longer works........ Not a lot of options left.


25 posted on 12/01/2022 7:22:07 AM PST by Boomer (The biden regime / identity politics is a clear and present threat to this constitutional republic.)
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To: george76

Democrats and the old GOP want Trump and all his allies eliminated and McCarthy is the guy they’ve outsourced the job to.

Whoever might be second choice will be no better. A MAGA speaker will never happen in this House.


26 posted on 12/01/2022 7:23:36 AM PST by bigbob (z)
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To: george76

Worst case: The Dems *all* vote for a ‘liz cheney’ type of republican, along with a handful of raging RINO’s, and we end up with a RINO speaker, elected by all democrats and 10 Republicans.

We all KNOW there are at least 10 democrats disguising themselves as republicans for years.


27 posted on 12/01/2022 7:27:20 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare its ? And the ambassador to Ukraineelf)
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To: george76

i dont see the problem

mccarthy is going to win

all the freedom caucus is doing is making him earn their votes

they are doing what they were elected to do

fight for conservative priorities


28 posted on 12/01/2022 7:32:24 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: george76

Marjorie Taylor Greene for Speaker!


29 posted on 12/01/2022 7:33:19 AM PST by teofila
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To: george76

“not a good look” for Republicans?

Do democrats give a damn about looks, ever?


30 posted on 12/01/2022 7:33:31 AM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: george76

I would prefer the new Congress be completely hogtied and NOT PASS ANYTHING - especially SPENDING on ANYTHING.


31 posted on 12/01/2022 7:35:30 AM PST by Gnome1949
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To: george76

I don’t care what happens in the GOP House, they are inept and do not represent their constituency.


32 posted on 12/01/2022 7:38:13 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Don Corleone
This is another step toward replacing the GOP.

There is a coalition od democrats, independents, and republicans that are America First.

Such a coalition may be bigger in numbers than either GOP or democrats.

90% of repubs, 70% of indies, and 25% of dems are America First.

33 posted on 12/01/2022 7:52:20 AM PST by Principled (Biden is illegitimate and whatever he says can be ignored. )
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To: george76

McCarthy will likely end up Speaker. The conservative caucus is just trying to obtain some concessions from him upfront which they should totally do. A RINO will always be Speaker.


34 posted on 12/01/2022 7:52:46 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: telescope115

The RINOs are The House Freedom Caucus...


35 posted on 12/01/2022 7:57:55 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14/12 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15/12 - 1030am - Obama team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Principled

.25 percent of dems are America First.


37 posted on 12/01/2022 7:59:57 AM PST by OKSooner ("Oh, the mad fools!")
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To: OKSooner

Well I don’t know... i think a lot that voted for Trump for first time were America first dems.

Probably somewhere between .25% and 25% lol


38 posted on 12/01/2022 8:14:39 AM PST by Principled (Biden is illegitimate and whatever he says can be ignored. )
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To: PghBaldy

Their idea of freedom is bending over forward for the democrats…


39 posted on 12/01/2022 8:15:26 AM PST by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: george76

Why can’t Kevin see he represents the GOP’s globalist past. He should withdrawal.


40 posted on 12/01/2022 8:17:05 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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