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i encourage interested folks to read the entire posted article, which isn't too much longer than the excerpt.

i find the European Central Bank's attitudes towards crypto remarkably similar to my own. The posted article makes most of the important points i made in the following essay i wrote in October after studying crypto since June:

Crypto Ponzi Scams, Zero-Yield Assets, Inflation Bubbles, and Other Thoughts

Introduction

“Could somebody please explain what is the underlying basis for the value of cryptocurrency?”

Fundamentally, the "value" of so-called crypocurrency (herein just called crypto) is based solely on the greater fool theory, as crypto is literally nothing but software. At its heart, crypto is a scam based on ignorance, mass delusion and magical thinking.

While the perceived value of all currencies is partially based on the herd principle, crypto, i.e., Magic Internet Currency, is like a herd that has jumped over a cliff: everything seems find when they jump, and seems fine on the way down, it's when they hit bottom that reality comes into focus ...

The rest of this essay seeks to explore some of the so-called "value" issues surrounding crypto.

Crypto "Deposits" vs. FDIC Deposits

When you, as a customer/client/(mark) "deposit" your crypto in an "account" at a crypto "exchange" that claims to pay you interest for your "deposit", you're not really "depositing" your crypto at all, instead you're loaning your crypto to the exchange.

Worse, your crypto is generally commingled with other customer "deposits" in a few common accounts owned by the exchange itself, rather than credited and segregated into an account owned only by you, even though the crypto exchange may format a sham webpage to display for your "account" that LOOKS like a bank account webpage.

Likewise, US Dollar (USD) deposits to an actual FDIC bank account are actually loans to the bank as well, but unlike a crypto exchange, your loaned funds are credited into a segregated bank account owned by you and NOT commingled with other funds owned by the bank or other customers, and should the bank fail or steal the USD credited to YOUR segregated account, you're guaranteed to eventually get it back [up to a maximum insurance amount] via FDIC insurance.

Crypto lives on software ledgers called blockchains while USD lives in FDIC insured and regulated banks, but in both cases though, you as a customer/client/"depositor" are really a creditor.

Crypto Inherently Offers Zero Future Yield

However, unlike US dollars (USD) and other actual yield-bearing assets such as CDs, bonds, dividend stocks or real estate, crypto is an "asset" that inherently offers ZERO future yield in terms of dividends, interest, or future earnings. Crypto's ONLY future value is solely a function of whatever a buyer may wish to pay for it in the future.

The Crypto Ponzi Scam

Since crypto has no inherent yield, any scheme that offers you a yield for borrowing your crypto is automatically a scam, and specifically a Ponzi scam of one sort or another.

In fact, a crypto Ponzi scam pays a pseudo-yield for the crypto that you "deposit" from only three possible sources, namely:

1.) Pseudo-yield that an exchange pays from "deposits" of new or current customers/creditors/clients and/or other funds borrowed from "investors" (classic Ponzi scam).

2.) Pseudo-yield paid from profits an exchange earns by selling depositors' crypto at prices higher than the price at the time customer deposits were made (essentially, fraud).

3.) Pseudo-yield paid with OTHER pseudo-yield obtained by your exchange by loaning YOUR crypto to ANOTHER exchange that pays your exchange an even larger pseudo-yield than what your exchange offers you and its own depositors, in other words, pseudo-yield obtained by your exchange from another, even more egregious Ponzi scam exchange.

Crypto Ponzi Scams Flourish (until they don't)

The above crypto Ponzi scams can flourish for a while, propelled by a constant influx of NEWLY "deposited" crypto from NEW greater fools enticed by greed, ignorance, social media buzz, promotional ads presented by paid "celeb influencers", and FOMO (fear of missing out), all of which will be enhanced by the availability of large amounts of nearly-interest-free USD sloshing around in a grossly inflationary economy.

The Crypto Ponzi Scam Implosion

Crypto Ponzi scams inevitably collapse when one or more (usually more) of the previously mentioned three pseudo-yield sources cease providing a pseudo-yield, and/or large numbers of depositors/creditors attempt to withdraw their "deposits" at the same time when the system runs out of greater fools, resulting in panic that causes exchanges AND crypto prices to collapse. Such crashes are often triggered or exacerbated by an end to the nearly-interest-free USD money train, resulting in increased borrowing costs as well as increased yields on legitimate yield-bearing assets, making pseudo-yield-bearing Ponzi scams less attractive.

Even worse though, pseudo-yield source three above exploded out of control into a multitude of interlocked Ponzi scams linked together like a fragile pile of Ponzi Pick-Up Sticks that would rapidly collapse in a heap should a single Ponzi Pick-Up Stick tremble.

In the second quarter of 2022 such a collapse did in fact occur when a gaggle of crypto Ponzi scam exchanges imploded, including Celsius, Voyager Digital, Three Arrows Capital, Deribit, BitMex, Vauld, Genesis, Babel Finance, CoinFLEX, 2gether, Invictus Capital, and AEX plus others.

The imploded Ponzi scam exchanges halted client withdrawals, and shortly thereafter, the Ponzi scam exchanges declared bankruptcy, resulting in the vaporization of tens of billions of USD "deposited" by hundreds of thousands of the last batch of greater fools who were left holding the empty bag when the crypto Ponzi scams imploded.

Why Inflation Engenders Fraudulent Investment Bubbles

Nearly-interest-free USD always seeks yields greater than the very same nearly-zero interest that enabled the nearly-interest-free USD to be available in the first place. However, the great paradox of nearly-interest-free USD is that cheap money drives down the future yield of all other legitimate yield-bearing assets, leaving only extremely risky and/or fraudulent assets yielding returns greater than the cost to borrow the nearly-interest-free USD in the first place.

Thus, massive inflation always engenders fraudulent investment bubbles that ultimately burst and destroy the excess liquidity. In fact, one could even say that such bubbles and their bursting are necessary to stabilize a grossly inflationary economy.

The burst-bubble losers are always the last batch of greater fools to buy into the bubbles, and unfortunately these losers are mostly those who least understand investment values and are the ones who can least afford to lose their small amounts of hard earned dollars.

In the case of crypto, one survey found that 98% of crypto "investors" don't actually understand what crypto is, which isn't terribly surprising because in reality, crypto is literally nothing more than a gigantic mass of complex computer software. Perhaps it isn't even surprising that 98% of those who buy crypto don't know what they're buying. After all, a fool and his (or her} money are soon parted, and no doubt almost no crypto "investor" has ever even heard of Peter Lynch or his admonition to invest only in something you understand.

An old Wall Street cliché says that when the shoeshine guy is telling his customers what great stocks he bought, it's time to get out of the market. A contemporary version of this statement might be: When Kim Kardashian and Matt Damon are telling you how fabulous crypto is, it's time to sell crypto, not buy it.

Lessons Regarding Assets That Have Zero Future Yield

One lesson that wise investors should learn from the above Ponzi scam meltdown and crypto crash is that they should be wary about investing in anything with zero future yield because the future values of zero-yield assets solely depend upon what someone is willing to pay for them in the future.

It's also vital that wise investors understand that crypto in particular is EXTREMELY rife with out-of-control, no-holds-barred price manipulation schemes, including pump and dumps, wash trading, spoofing, stop hunting, buy and sell walls created by “whales,” whale wall spoofing, flash attacks, rug pulls and the simple spread of false rumors via a myriad of social media outlets. And that's not even counting hundreds of instances of actual theft, hacks, and fraud that have stolen tens of billions of dollars from the naive and unwary.

The average crypto punter putting a few thousand USD or even a few tens of thousands of USD into crypto has little chance to beat the above price manipulation schemes in the long run. SO, in effect, the average crypto punters ARE the greater fools!

But Industrial Commodities Have Zero Future Yield Too

There ARE exceptions to the above non-zero-yield rule, primarily commodities such as foodstuffs, lumber, industrial minerals and metals, petroleum products, industrial diamonds, and other natural resources that must be produced AND continuously consumed to sustain contemporary society, and therefore have a vital and inherent utility value that potentially can increase in the future should scarcity and/or increased demand occur.

Precious Metals Have Zero Future Yield As Well

Precious metals such as silver and gold are still prized because of their historical value, though both gold and silver also have SOME industrial value. Nonetheless, precious metals have zero-yield, and their future value depends solely upon what someone else is willing to pay for them in the future.

And Collectables Have Zero Future Yield

Finally, there are other assets that also have zero-yield too, but are prized for their collector value such as gem-quality diamonds, other precious gems, jewelry, fine art, antiques, coin collections, tulips, and Beanie Babies.

Nonetheless, the value of such collectables depends solely upon what someone else is willing to pay for them in the future, though many but not all, collectibles possess an esthetic value that can make life more pleasurable.

So What Zero-Yield Asset Category Does Crypto Belong To?

That's an interesting question that is best answered by a process of elimination. We already know crypto is not a yield-bearing asset such as a bond, a mortgage or a CD. Crypto is also not essential to sustaining contemporary society, so does not belong to the industrial commodity category. In fact, crypto could disappear tomorrow and pretty much the only parts of society that might miss it are criminals, terrorists, and Ponzi hucksters.

So, does crypto then belong to the collectible category as a collectible that has little if any aesthetic value such as Beanie Babies or Franklin Mint figurines? Possibly.

On the other hand, there may be a fourth asset category for crypto, namely a category for assets that have zero value of any kind whatsoever other than that a greater fool might pay more for them in the future than what was paid by someone who bought them today.

Oh Yeah, What About Non-Fungible Tokens [NFTs ]: They Have Zero-Yield Too

NFTs [non-fungible tokens] likely belong to the worthless category as well, though unlike crypto, at least with NFTs you might "own" a ridiculously expensive virtual image of some fatuous cartoon ape that you can enjoy comparing with other ridiculously expensive virtual fatuous cartoon ape images "owned" by your rich and fatuous friends at their cocktail parties.

But What About So-Called "StableCoins" And What Good Are They?

Good question! So-called "stablecoins" are crypto units of account that function as a currency in the crypto world, and which are putatively tied to an actual unit of account and actual currency such as the USD and SUPPOSEDLY never vary in price. Thus, say, one USD "stablecoin" is SUPPOSED to always be equal to one USD.

The various random entities that issue so-called "stablecoin" currencies CLAIM that they are "backed" one-for-one with actual USD assets equal to the total "value" of "issued" "stablecoins". Thus an entity issuing ten billion USD "stablecoins" would hold ten billion of actual USD in reserve. Of course, no entity that "issues" "stablecoins" is ever actually legitimately audited with public results to prove their reserve claims.

So what good are "stablecoin" currencies? Why not just use an equivalent amount of USD, an ACTUAL currency, instead? The main reason is that "stablecoin" currencies live on blockchains whereas actual USD lives in FDIC regulated banks.

It is therefore MUCH simpler for crypto software to transact with "stablecoin" currencies that live on blockchains than transact with messy ol' USD that lives in FDIC regulated banks. Thus, the essential purpose of "stablecoin" currencies is to SIMULATE ACTUAL currencies to allow crypto transactions to occur in a closed system independent of regulated banking systems.

So, one of the great ironies of "stablecoin" currencies is that they are necessary because ACTUAL crypto is completely unable to serve the function of a currency in the crypto world, their raison d'etre claimed by their proponents in the first place!

The Future Value Equation When Future Yield Is Zero

It's interesting to look at the equation for the future value of an asset when the yield is set to zero and inflation is ignored, because the equation reduces to the situation in which an asset's future value always equals its present value, thus any future value depends solely on what some other sucker is willing to pay for it in the future. AND, if such an asset has zero present value, it also has zero future value!

FV = PV * ( 1 * r) ** n

FV = Future Value

PV = Present Value

r = rate of return

n = number of periods of return

A Note Regarding Crypto Regulation

If world-wide regulators really wanted to clean up the crypto world, they should start by prohibiting pseudo-yield from being offered for crypto "loans", or at least imposing the same controls that conventional lenders are required to meet regarding loan reserves, transaction transparency, segregated accounting, risk warnings and auditing, and even legitimate third party insurance, all of which would pretty much have the same effect as explicit prohibition.

BTW, the reason financial regulating authorities are in such a quandary regarding how to regulate crypto is fundamentally because crypt is a worthless asset, and regulation would lend legitimacy to said worthless asset as well as providing "investors" with a false since of value and security. Besides, how do you regulate an "asset" that is nothing more than computer code that generates some numbers?

Regulators don't regulate "investments" in Beanie Babies or Franklin Mint figurines, so why should they regulate crypto? Just because lots of fools insist on gambling their money away by "investing" in crypto?

Really, the best "regulatory" approach for authorities is to simply continuously issue STRONG warnings about the EXTREME risks in crypto "assets" and their unsuitability for almost any legitimate purpose, and eventually after enough people lose enough money, crypto will go the way of tulip "investment".

A Note On the Utility of Blockchain Mediated Peer-to-Peer Transactions

One of the most touted aspects of blockchain technology is that it supposedly revolutionizes commercial transactions by providing for peer-to-peer financial transactions. However, so far, the only thing that blockchain peer-to-peer transactions have revolutionized is the ease of financial transfers for criminals, terrorists, and money launderers.

Still, for pretty much everyone else, peer-to-peer financial transactions are no more useful than the peer-to-peer barter transactions that humanity utilized prior to the revolutionary invention of currencies that allowed commerce to be conducted WITHOUT the inefficient constraints of peer-to-peer transactions.

Currencies not only provided a way to establish standardized values amongst a plethora of goods and services, but promoted one-to-many and many-to-one financial transactions AND acted as a store of "surplus" value. Thus a single family could go to the bazaar and buy goods and services from many different stalls, while the King could collect taxes from many different subjects. And folks who ended up with more currency than they needed to spend in the bazaar that day, could utilize it to buy stuff some other time.

Thus, the re-invention of peer-to-peer financial transactions via blockchain accounting is nothing more than a return to archaic trade practices superceded by the invention of the Shekel 5,000 years ago in Mesopotamia.

References

"Bitcoin, Currencies, and Fragility" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb

https://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/BTC-QF.pdf

"In Crypto, Market Manipulation Remains a Problem":

https://www.pymnts.com/cryptocurrency/2022/in-crypto-market-manipulation-remains-a-problem/

"Crypto Turns Out To Be Nothing But A Massive Pump And Dump Scheme Fueled By Widespread Manipulation" by Jay Atkinson at Forbes:

https://archive.ph/lLr9S

"98% of Survey Respondents Can’t Pass a Basic Crypto Literacy Assessment"

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/11/01/2324362/0/en/98-of-Survey-Respondents-Can-t-Pass-a-Basic-Crypto-Literacy-Assessment.html

"Is Crypto a Big Scam?"

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/23/deconstructed-crypto-ben-mckenzie/

1 posted on 11/30/2022 7:43:46 PM PST by catnipman
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They sound skeert of a monetary standard they can’t control.


2 posted on 11/30/2022 7:45:27 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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Forget bitcoin. Invest in something that is real. Something you can hold. Just like Warren Buffet said. Invest in tulips. It’s the next big thing.


3 posted on 11/30/2022 7:46:05 PM PST by BipolarBob (and now I have Tourettes so ignore my spontaneous cursing fits . they're perfectly normal. Carry on)
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These criticisms of bitcoin are probably valid, but it is funny this comes from the central bank of Europe. Because these critiques also apply to their currencies


4 posted on 11/30/2022 7:46:22 PM PST by Mount Athos
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Bitcoin is just another pyramid scheme.


6 posted on 11/30/2022 7:58:11 PM PST by jonrick46 (Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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The value of bitcoin is based on guaranteed scarcity. Whether that is enough remains to be seen.

But with bitcoin sentiment this negative we may be near or past an intermediate-term bottom price. Time will tell.


8 posted on 11/30/2022 8:01:42 PM PST by devere
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While the perceived value of all currencies is partially based on the herd principle,

Well, I guess you could use physical currency for heating or toilet paper or cleaning off paint brushes, but other than that the value is entirely the herd principle.

and should the bank fail or steal the USD credited to YOUR segregated account, you're guaranteed to eventually get it back [up to a maximum insurance amount] via FDIC insurance.

And if enough banks fail, the government can always print enough money to pay off all that lost in banks, in which case ask for one dollar bills so you have more fuel, toilet paper or brush cleaning cloths.

9 posted on 11/30/2022 8:08:27 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Soon the January 6 protesters will be held (without trial or bail) longer than Jefferson Davis was.)
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Bitcoin isn’t going to help you when you’re burning wood for fuel, and getting into a gunfight with your neighbors over your canned food stash.


14 posted on 11/30/2022 8:12:38 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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I find the European Central Bank's attitudes towards crypto remarkably similar to my own.

That should be a warning sign that maybe you’re off track.

This article is a misdirection. Central banks are already moving to CBDCs (including the US at some point).

The idea that the central bankers fear crypto is a ruse. They’re already adopting it for CBDCs and planning to use blockchain tokens as bridge currencies.

Bitcoin will be like gold; you’re owning a piece of the blockchain ecosystem that is the oldest and most secure, but it’s not likely to see a 100x or even 10x runup for many, many years. And it has very high latency, few use cases, and very little incentive to innovate.

If you want to know what the central banks are REALLY up to, look at what Ripple is doing with many global CBDCs already in development. Hint: you can buy XRP tokens if you know where to look, and get a piece of the finite liquidity pool that central banks are going to use to replace SWIFT and other global money transfer systems.

Trying to write Bitcoin’s epitaph again, for the Nth time, just sounds foolish. There is a huge case by the SEC against Ripple that is going to benefit the entire crypto ecosystem, and it’ll be decided in months, not years. The whole “Bitcoin is a scam” argument is dated and irrelevant. Either you see value in Bitcoin or you don’t. But the financial future of the world WILL be run on digital currencies. The question is how will you protect yourself and/or take advantage of it.

15 posted on 11/30/2022 8:13:30 PM PST by GunRunner
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Crypto, all of it, is a fraudulent money laundering operation, period.

Easily manipulated, virtually unregulated, way to clean money by the trillions while using the bigger fools greed, to help keep it hidden in plain sight.

You could not ask for a more perfect vehicle to “cleanse” illegal money than Crypto.


16 posted on 11/30/2022 8:13:39 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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If so, I’d urge you to rethink your position.


18 posted on 11/30/2022 8:15:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the U S of A, and to the {Const'l} REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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Sounds to me like the EU Central Bank is reacting to European Citizens Buying Up BTC on the DIP. Citizens of the EU lead all other nations or areas of the world in BTC purchases. I spent 5 years in Europe and was there for the 1999-2000 Euro rollout. I remember Dutch employees I worked with taking the train to Switzerland every month to put their “dollors” and other assets. If citizens in the EU are buying record amounts of BTC, it is not dead.

On another note, the EU Central Bank states no legal transactions take place with BTC. Tesla and other’s will take BTC. I have a BTC credit card but won’t use it because it literally costs me 3-4% to use it but its there.

Smells like fear by the Central Bank.


21 posted on 11/30/2022 8:24:06 PM PST by Jumper ( )
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It's really simple.

With bitcoin, you are buying air (actually, not even that), with the hopes that someone will want that air enough to pay more for it than did you.

Foolish, of course, however when many folks are buying air and have the ability (but not the common sense) to sell the air for a profit; and when they brag about how much they can sell their air for; you want to buy some too.

Then, when the folks who sold the air in the first place don't know what happened to the money collected to buy all the fancy air, and they head for the South Seas on a spontaneous vacation, some folks are left holding (virtual) bags of extremely expensive air.

24 posted on 11/30/2022 8:35:46 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston Churchill)
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Bitcoin only real value is for criminals, money launderers, mafias’ and corrupt politicos.
It is a lot easier to hide, move across the borders and conceive than the money, or checks.
For honest people, it is worthless!


25 posted on 11/30/2022 8:41:05 PM PST by AZJeep
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If the thing your “currency” is best known for is to pay off cyber criminals to get your encrypted files back, I just don’t see that as a sustainable model.


28 posted on 11/30/2022 8:51:39 PM PST by Newtoidaho (All I ask of living is to have no chains on me.)
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Bitcoin price in 2010- .09 cents
Bitcoin price today- $17,000

That's 170,000% in 12 years.

2010 gold price- $1420
Gold price today- $1789

That's 25% in the same 12 years.

But ya'll go ahead. Keep raggin' on bitcoin.
31 posted on 11/30/2022 9:10:21 PM PST by Duke C.
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“the great paradox of nearly-interest-free USD is that cheap money drives down the future yield of all other legitimate yield-bearing assets”

This is something important that a lot of otherwise economically literate people seem to fail to grasp. Yes, there needs to be a cycle in the interest rates so sometimes they need to be low, but artificially keeping interest rates low for over a decade is economically suicidal on the grand scale. The fact that supposedly the more learned economic minds of our country have done this can only mean two things:

a) they don’t realize the damage they will cause by keeping the rates too low for too long, meaning they are too incompetent to be trusted with such important jobs

or

b) they do realize the damage they will cause, but either are doing it for their own benefit, or have some inside knowledge that tells them only by pursuing this strategy can they delay (but not avoid) a larger looming economic catastrophe. Which means they are too dishonest to be trusted with such important jobs.

Either way, it’s a big glaring neon signpost that we are probably facing very very bad times in the years ahead if these same times of people keep setting our monetary policy.


32 posted on 11/30/2022 9:13:19 PM PST by Boogieman
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Two points:

Crypto’s demise and Bitcoin’s demise specifically has been predicted many times. It has proven patently FALSE each and every last time.

The second point is that of course the EU central bank and probably the Fed and others are going to badmouth crypto. Look for the WEF to do the same. They want to usher in CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currency).

CBDC’s would be under THEIR POWER AND CONTROL. They could see every thing you buy. They could cut off your money down to an individual level with a few keystrokes. They could make your money worthless to buy....you name it. Fireworks? Cigarettes? A cheeseburger if they felt you were too fat. An airline ticket if they thought your personal “carbon footprint” was too high. Yes, they would really have that level of direct control over each individual’s money. That’s what they want. So long as crypto exists, they don’t have that.


38 posted on 12/01/2022 2:39:40 AM PST by FLT-bird
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Precious metals still have industrial applications, unlike Bitcoin. I originally thought Bitcoin would be a hedge against inflation because of scarcity/finite number but that has proven not to be the case.

I am really watching Cathie Wood closely, she is either the smartest person in the room or the dumbest, after doubling down on Grayscale last week


40 posted on 12/01/2022 3:40:30 AM PST by STJPII ( )
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Bookmarked for the purpose of explaining to my daughter’s husband why I originally refused to get into bitcoin. He was all over it when Bitcoin was at $67,000 a share, and the whole thing made my spidy-sense kick into gear. I wanted no part of it, and still feel the same.


41 posted on 12/01/2022 3:58:22 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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That makes #467:

https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin-obituaries/

And the beat goes on...


42 posted on 12/01/2022 4:03:42 AM PST by Drago
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