Skip to comments.'Greater Idaho' Moves Closer To Bi-State Referendum As Two More Oregon Counties Vote To Leave
Posted on 11/27/2022 8:39:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Two more conservative-leaning counties in eastern Oregon, and one politically split county in California, have voted to begin the process that could lead to secession from their respective blue states.
What the proposed border relocation would look like. (Courtesy of Move Oregon's Border for a Greater Idaho)
On Nov. 8, Oregon’s Morrow County passed the Greater Idaho proposal with 60 percent of the vote and Wheeler County with 59 percent.
A similar measure in San Bernardino County, California, passed by a narrow margin, 51.3 percent to 48.7.
“These are solutions they want their elected leaders to look into,” said Matt McCaw, spokesman for the Greater Idaho Movement based in Oregon.
“We think it makes sense to move the border to where the cultural divide [exists]. Oregon is a very polarized state—two very different cultures.”
The Greater Idaho Movement seeks as many as 15 counties in Republican-majority rural eastern Oregon to join with neighboring Idaho to the east.
So far, 11 counties have signed on since the movement launched in 2019. Another county will vote on whether to investigate the secession process early in 2023.
If both states ultimately agree to separation, the next step would be to form an interstate compact between Idaho and Oregon, something McCaw believes has “plenty of popular support.”
The benefits would be mutual, he said.
For example, though Oregon would end up losing about 400,000 (9 percent) of its population and ceding 63 percent of its land mass to Idaho, a political merger would end the longstanding partisan divide in Oregon, where Democrats comprise 47 percent of the electorate.
The situation is nearly the reverse in Idaho, with nearly 84,000 square miles, 2 million residents, and a gross domestic product that exceeds $79 billion. Moreover, nearly 50 percent of the state leans conservative and Republican.
Oregon, by contrast, encompasses more than 98,000 square miles and has 4 million residents and a gross domestic product of $224 billion. Vast swathes of some 30 million acres of productive forestland lie in the eastern part of the state.
McCaw said most of Oregon’s wealth comes from industry and finance in the western coastal area, where liberal politicians in the state’s largest city of Portland often decide the state’s policies.
“The west side of the state is urban and very left-learning. The right side of the state is very rural—very conservative. Eastern Oregonians match culture and values, and politics with Idaho.”
McCaw said that political and cultural polarization is a problem not only in Oregon but across the United States. He said there is a “huge urban [and] rural divide” that is “only getting bigger.”
He said that disapproval with the 2022 midterm elections among conservatives would only fuel partisan realignments at the state and county levels.
“We’re about matching government to people and their values. You get rid of polarization and tension by matching people to the government they want,” McCaw told The Epoch Times.
In San Bernardino County, with more than 2 million residents, real estate developer Jeff Burum proposed Measure EE as a way to leave California and create the new state of Empire.
At issue is the state’s apparent inability to supply the resources or funding to support a growing population.
The measure asked voters their “opinion on whether they want San Bernardino County elected representatives to study and advocate for all options to obtain the county’s fair share of state funding, including secession from the state of California.”
Burum told The San Bernardino Sun, “I would never wilfully want to leave this state. But I can tell you this, if you’re just going to continue to abuse me and abuse us, sometimes you don’t have a choice but to stand up for yourself.”
Jack Pitney, a professor of American politics at Claremont McKenna College in Claremont, California, told the Daily Press there is a “very low probability” Measure EE would succeed, given that there are constitutional hurdles to overcome.
He said the Constitution requires a vote of the state legislature to allow secession and the U.S. Congress to approve the establishment of a new state.
West Virginia was the last state to secede at the height of the Civil War in 1863. Until 1792, Kentucky was a part of Virginia, and Maine a part of Massachusetts before separating to become an independent state in 1820.
Another example is Washington, once a part of the Oregon Territory before it split from Oregon and became a territory in 1853 and the 42nd state in 1889.
In Idaho, Republican state Rep. Barbara Ehardt said she supports the Greater Idaho movement as a “win-win” for both states even though it’s far from being a done deal.
“States rights—that’s why I favor this movement. At some point, states will have to get the courage and rise and say, you know what? We’re not playing in that sandbox because it’s corrupt. We’re going to do what we need to,” she said.
“When I first heard about this [movement] it resonated. Why wouldn’t we want to explore this, given that Idaho has been the No. 1 state in the nation for percentage of growth? If this weren’t a win for Idaho, I wouldn’t be behind it,” Ehardt told The Epoch Times.
Ehardt said the more liberal-leaning parts of Oregon would benefit from fewer political struggles with conservatives and tax subsidies of the state”s less affluent eastern half. There would be “zero exchange” of congressional seats, and a more unified culture.
The gains for Idaho would come from natural resources—minerals, water, timber, and the acquisition of Coos Bay, an important commercial hub.
As one of the nation’s fastest-growing areas for conservatives, Idaho’s right-leaning base would gain from the infusion of 400,000 new residents, many of whom would likely vote Republican, Ehardt said.
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Greater Id’ho dreamin....on such a winter’s day!
Would STILL require Salem Oregon’s approval, and they’re not about to give up ANY land/money/power.
I heard a cd of the late Jim Rohn (one of Anthony Robbins’ inspirations and mentors—but Rohn distanced himself from him). (Speech was possibly 2012??)
Rohn said “I was born in Idaho. They say thousands of disgruntled California liberals are moving out of their state because the taxes, corruption and incentives to be on entitlements are too much for them. Many are moving to Idaho. But Idahoans are saying don’t move here with your politics. Stay out of Idaho. We love our state. We don’t want you here.”
RE: Stay out of Idaho. We love our state. We don’t want you here.”
And how do the citizens of Idaho propose to stop this exodus to their state?
Rumor had it there were sounds of ammo loading on front porches.😇
This will not make things better.
It will make two states more polarized.
Now try getting the Leftist government in Oregon back into
the land of reality. It will be even more like California,
and be worse by far than it has been.
Good luck with that.
this is never going to happen, no legal process to do it
Tax the Hell out of the newcomers.
I was born and raised in Idaho and owned property there and paid taxes on it even after my work took me to California. A few years later I was able to move back to Idaho and some of my neighbors bristled at my California plates before I was able to change them.
I finally got into a verbal dispute with one and asked him "Where you you born? I'm an Idaho native." He sheepishly had to admit he'd moved to Idaho from back East, and had only lived there a few years. Funny how that works.
No legal process however, “When in the course of human events it becomes necessary...”
Sorry, New York is "The Empire State", it's the state nickname, it's on our license plates, the Empire State Building, etc.
There are 300,000 words in the English language. Pick a different one.
The United States originated as Colonies, and the Colonies were separate groupings of people differentiated by culture, politics, religion, ethnicity, etc. The idea of maintaining States (rather than throwing everything into a single Federal stewpot) was explicitly and specifically to retain those differentiations, so that citizens could live in and support a state that best represented them.
I live in rural Upstate New York, and would be very pleased to separate New York City from the rest of the State -- we have nothing in common with those city dwellers.
If Oregon's population is divided so strongly, then it makes perfect sense to split the State, and see if Idaho is willing to absorb the conservative folks in eastern Oregon. It is just harkening back to the original concept of the States.
“No legal process however, “When in the course of human events it becomes necessary...”
Yep, just because something HASN’T been done doesn’t mean it SHOULDN’T be done. Where there is a WILL there is a WAY.
Exactly. I don’t see Oregon approving this even a little.
Just goes to show people are patriotic to their states. Where we choose to live matters.
Never fear, the democrats will do something to crush this movement. They never allow power to slip away from them.
The area that includes San Bernardino, Ca is called the Inland Empire and I suppose that’s why he chose the name Empire.
Most people leaving CA for Idaho are our sorts.
Idaho’s liberal problem is mostly MS millenials from Seattle.
CA liberals will move to Texas or Colorado or GA before ID. And a lot of them will stop in WA or Bend, OR and stay there.
Liberals ignore whatever laws they don’t want to obey.
i’ll keep hammering the same points around here.
Ignore whatever BS Oregon does, and ask Idaho’s legislature. if they say no, it’ll be a lot harder to deal.
We didn’t ask good ole King George for his okay to break off from the UK did we?
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