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Congress should end the war in Ukraine by withdrawing from NATO
The Hill ^ | 11/25/2022 | BRUCE FEIN

Posted on 11/25/2022 12:08:52 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27

Congress can end the war in Ukraine and win a Nobel Peace Prize by enacting a statute withdrawing the United States from NATO — transforming it from a mighty offensive oak into a tiny acorn unalarming to Russia.

As early as 1798, Congress nullified a defense treaty with France by statute. A congressional end to United States participation in NATO would be no constitutional novelty.

At the very latest, NATO became obsolete in 1991 when its raison d’etre — the Soviet Empire — dissolved. By remaining in NATO and spearheading its expansion to Russia’s borders with 30 members, the United States provoked President Vladimir Putin’s attack on Ukraine. It was poised to join NATO to fortify the encirclement of an already diminished Russia constituting a greater existential threat to it than the existential threat the Cuban missile crisis posed to the United States.

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To: Republican Wildcat
You actually are claiming those votes were legitimate?

What would a GOPe lickspittle know about legitimate votes?

61 posted on 11/25/2022 1:32:56 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: escapefromboston

Falling sure. Having very annoying setbacks, avoidable setbacks, no.

250 years ago if some crop failed in Neverheardofit America probably wouldn’t even know. The world was big, and countries really didn’t impact on each other unless they got into a war. Now, probably a bunch of American companies are invested in that industry, others are dependent on it, one crop failure in the middle of nowhere can screw up a whole sector of the economy. Now we have a vested interest in making Neverheardofit doesn’t have a crop failure. And also doesn’t get invaded.

This is what we learned with WWII. We tried being isolationist. We tried letting them “handle it themselves”. And we got attacked. And the world is much much smaller than it was in 1941. Isolationism is a non-starter, we just aren’t isolated anymore, we CANNOT be.


62 posted on 11/25/2022 1:33:21 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I’m not arguing with him. I’m mocking him.


63 posted on 11/25/2022 1:33:46 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Timber Rattler

And they don’t exist today...
What’s your point?


64 posted on 11/25/2022 1:33:51 PM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: JonPreston

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65 posted on 11/25/2022 1:34:05 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Timber Rattler
True enough but they wouldn't have existed in the 1940s either - except for the pivotal US involvement in World War I , so ... the world is still paying dearly because of the "Great War". What a debacle.
66 posted on 11/25/2022 1:36:07 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Congress should end the war in Ukraine by withdrawing from NATO

The US should have withdrawn from NATO by year 2000.

67 posted on 11/25/2022 1:39:30 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: JonPreston
Kherson

would that be that same Kherson that Ukraine now controls?

guess they didn't really want to be part of Russia

LOL


68 posted on 11/25/2022 1:39:46 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative; datura; Timber Rattler; discostu; Angelino97

The common theme I see among the single-minded neocons here is that the USA, in the modern world is beyond neutrality, must build and maintain global military alliances, and must be in a constant state of war, because we face existential threats everywhere.

What they don’t realize is that threats everywhere means security nowhere. Just like Rome, Byzantium, Ottoman Turkey, etc... in this binary state, they are hastening the decline and collapse of the American Empire


69 posted on 11/25/2022 1:40:38 PM PST by PGR88
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To: PGR88

Nope. Your strawman just shows you didn’t pay attention to what we said. Or history. Or what’s happening now. go back and LEARN. And don’t put words in people’s mouths.


70 posted on 11/25/2022 1:42:34 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

America is a republic not an empire.


71 posted on 11/25/2022 1:42:46 PM PST by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: discostu; JonPreston
I’m falling off my chair laughing at what a pathetic waste of flesh you are

I'm surprised adults attempting to persuade others about serious matters make such asinine and childish comments.

72 posted on 11/25/2022 1:43:18 PM PST by PGR88
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To: escapefromboston

Strawman. Completely besides the point. Entirely unrelated. Empires can be isolationist. Republics can for strong allegiances. So the fact that you had to run with that shows you understand the facts I presented, you just can’t bring yourself to admit the lessons of history and present are that isolationism cannot happen in the modern world.


73 posted on 11/25/2022 1:44:29 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: PGR88

He’s not an adult. I’m not trying to persuade him. He’s an insulting little prick who plays tyrant apologist and has offered no facts or persuasion in 2022. I’m treating him the way he deserves to be treated, as a pathetic annoyance.


74 posted on 11/25/2022 1:47:33 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

I’ll stand with George Washington and the founding fathers .


75 posted on 11/25/2022 1:48:18 PM PST by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: discostu
He’s not an adult. I’m not trying to persuade him. He’s an insulting little prick who plays tyrant apologist and has offered no facts or persuasion in 2022. I’m treating him the way he deserves to be treated, as a pathetic annoyance.

Whew. That's good to know. Go get him, cowboy. We are lucky we have you around.

76 posted on 11/25/2022 1:49:26 PM PST by PGR88
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To: escapefromboston

The funny part of course being that if it weren’t for “foreign entanglements” we’d have gotten our asses kicked in the Revolution. We needed allies to win. Even then, isolationism wouldn’t stand.


77 posted on 11/25/2022 1:49:59 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: PGR88

Here’s his first post to me on this thread:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4111825/posts?page=29#29
Your bowels are entangled.

Now why would anybody waste their time treating someone that starts a “persuasion” with that like they’re an adult? He isn’t. He gives no respect, he earns no respect, he gets no respect.


78 posted on 11/25/2022 1:51:43 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: escapefromboston

btw America got outside help from France during the War of Independence

that was when Britain attacked the newly-born United States because it dared to be free ... France provided assistance for 7 years until Britain was defeated

countries help others under attack, this isn’t new


79 posted on 11/25/2022 1:53:18 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Just get rid of NATO instead.

The US pulls out of NATO it fades away. Without the US and the Europe based US military installations the Europeans have no one to hide behind as they’ve been doing sick the end of WW2.

Let the EU defend itself.

Telling Zelensky that he’s on his own ends all of it, in about a week.


80 posted on 11/25/2022 2:11:44 PM PST by qaz123 (F)
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