Congress should end the war in Ukraine by withdrawing from NATO

The Hill ^ | 11/25/2022 | BRUCE FEIN

[ChicagoConservative27]

Congress can end the war in Ukraine and win a Nobel Peace Prize by enacting a statute withdrawing the United States from NATO — transforming it from a mighty offensive oak into a tiny acorn unalarming to Russia.

As early as 1798, Congress nullified a defense treaty with France by statute. A congressional end to United States participation in NATO would be no constitutional novelty.

At the very latest, NATO became obsolete in 1991 when its raison d’etre — the Soviet Empire — dissolved. By remaining in NATO and spearheading its expansion to Russia’s borders with 30 members, the United States provoked President Vladimir Putin’s attack on Ukraine. It was poised to join NATO to fortify the encirclement of an already diminished Russia constituting a greater existential threat to it than the existential threat the Cuban missile crisis posed to the United States.

[JonPreston]

Canadian Cuck

[Jim Noble]

Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union didn't exist in the 1790s.

Or the 1990s.

[Angelino97]

isolationism doesn’t work

but despots like Russia and China appreciate your attempts to cast allies to the wolves

As I said, "Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Japan -- all are rich and can afford to pay 100% of their own defense."

You see? Our "allies" can afford to protect themselves from the big, bad wolves.

[discostu]

BWAHAHAHAHA

Pointing out that your behavior is right in line with the glass pack idiots that want everyone to believe they’re very manly while being not isn’t gay. But your pathetic ego thinking it is, well that’s again typical of very very small men.

[jacknhoo]

“which country isn’t in NATO? - Ukraine

which country got invaded by Russia? - Ukraine

THAT’S why Sweden and Finland want to join, and that’s why NATO is *still* needed in the 21st Century”

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And we’re all supposed to be so stupid and ignore actual history like you do, eh. Such simple-minded thoughts you write. Anyone paying attention sees it. You should be ashamed to write such things down…an actual knuckle-dragger.

[JonPreston]

Angry Neocon, Very, very angry.

[discostu]

BWAHAHAHA

There you go projecting again. I’m not angry. I’m falling off my chair laughing at what a pathetic waste of flesh you are. There’s nothing for me to be angry about. No one listens to you, you’re wrong about everything, you don’t matter, and you’ve lost. You’re the angry one, that’s why you do nothing but insults people. The entire world you built on lies and worshiping a tyrant has fallen apart. You’re just a sad little, tiny, minuscule man. And I LAUGH AT YOU

BWAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH

[DownInFlames]

Rebuild the USSR? His forces can’t ge 50km from the border without running out of supplies. I’d I was Z, I’d make a bee line to Crimea. It’s the key. Take Crimea and it all falls apart.

[Olog-hai]

Sure; remove the last barrier to EU self-empowerment and let our old enemy rise from the ashes.

[whitney69]

NATO is an Alliance that consists of 30 independent member countries. The Ukraine is not one of them.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm

The primary role of Alliance military forces is to protect peace and to guarantee the territorial integrity, political independence and security of the member states. (From their web site)

https://nato.usmission.gov/about-nato/#:~:text=About%20NATO%20%2D%20U.S.%20Mission%20to%20the%20North%20Atlantic%20Treaty%20Organization

So since the Ukraine is not on the list of membership, why are we throwing military support along with training needs for them? We shouldn’t be playing in their game. And the interesting thing about this is that Russia is a member of NATO. That certainly doesn’t match up with the structure statements with the US supporting a non-NATO country va member this way.

wy69

[Republican Wildcat]

Putin could end it by withdrawing from Ukraine...indeed never started the war to begin with. There are more NATO members than before because of this and NATO is now more entrenched than ever as a result of these actions and awoke from their slumber as to the stupidity of trusting Russia by tying their energy to them...a bit late for it to not cause serious problems in the meantime, however.

[JonPreston]

From your Homepage

I'm mellowing out in my old age

Sorry, you aren't mellowing. You're angry. Very, very angry.

Maybe you should back away from politics since you aren't very good at it.

[discostu]

I’m plenty mellow. Like I said LAUGHING AT YOU.

All that anger you’re seeing, that’s reflection. I got nothing to be angry about. Here’s some more peals of laughter:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you think that’s anger... well maybe you do. You do have an established record of being completely wrong about everything. Which is also hilarious

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[escapefromboston]

There was more danger of our young nation falling 250 years ago than there is today.

[Republican Wildcat]

So since the Ukraine is not on the list of membership, why are we throwing military support along with training needs for them? We shouldn’t be playing in their game

Ukraine's security was assured via the Budapest Memorandum. You are decades behind on history and diplomatic agreements. Ukraine agreed to give up its nukes under this memorandum, which Putin has violated.

And the interesting thing about this is that Russia is a member of NATO.

They most certainly are not.

[JonPreston]

Putin could end it by withdrawing from Ukraine

And taking with them the four regions -- Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donetsk and Luhanks --- that voted overwhelmingly to become part of Russia, right?

[Republican Wildcat]

Ah, Comrade Jon! You actually are claiming those votes were legitimate? You are nuts, sir.

[JonPreston]

I’m plenty mellow. Like I said LAUGHING AT YOU.

discostu, anyone that hammers away with all caps isn't mellow. They're cray cray. Now be nice and take your L over this NATO crap. It's not our business.

[elpadre]

There are several sources proving the US for NATO assured USSR negotiators there would be no NATO expansion towards the East and Central Europe. Apparently that agreement lasted until wheels were up on the flight back to the US.

“.. U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu)...”

[Republican Wildcat]

You are arguing with someone who celebrates North Korea siding with Russia, the rise of the CCP to end Western Civilization, etc.