Posted on 11/21/2022 10:49:20 AM PST by JonPreston
The Bolsheviks have faced an avalanche of bad news for the Russian military so ... they just repost the same tired and refuted Moscow talking points. They’ll do anything to distract from their criminal invasion and war crimes and the destruction of their own military.
If you read further into the article, you will find:
Fiona Hill, who served as the senior director for Europe and Russia on the US National Security Council in the Barack Obama administration, co-authored an article for the September/October edition of Foreign Affairs titled “The World Putin Wants.”
The former top US national security official overseeing Russia policy wrote:
According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. But as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated in a July interview with his country’s state media, this compromise is no longer an option.
These terms had apparently been ironed out in face-to-face peace talks in Istanbul, Turkey on March 29.
Puff that Robinette!
Yawn. Another Monday and not one keyboard warrior has as yet donated more than keystrokes.
You’ve got to be kidding! They want their 1989 borders and control of parts of Germany and all of Poland plus Romania for starters. Then they want to control everything from their former Soviet satellites to the English Channel and Atlantic Ocean down to the Pyrenees.
“But as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated in a July interview with his country’s state media, this compromise is no longer an option.”
Russia torpedoed it. They insisted on ridiculous demands on top of
“Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. “
To the effect of, anyone in NATO being approached by Ukraine for those security guarantees would be required to say no.
That’s written into the conditions presented to NATO in December. Which extended the NATO members withdrawing its guarantees from the Baltic as well as from Ukraine.
I’m stunned at the inability of people to add 1+1 and yet refuse to accept the answer is 2.
As I said, Russia’s own negotiating team were stunned by a ridiculous demand that they knew would go down like a lead balloon and kill the negotiation.
When Lavrov said “Compromise is no longer an option” he omitted the reason. The Kremlin insisted on a demand on NATO that NATO couldn’t countenance.
Russia might as well have said “Ukraine, we’ll agree to your terms but only if you totally disarm yourselves, accept no weapons from NATO, don’t join NATO, don’t even seek any help from NATO, and your security guarantees are only from Belarus and Georgia which will suit us just fine when we’re ready for Round 2 of Grozny-fying your cities”.
It was ridiculous even before adding “oh, and NATO... Get out of the Baltic states too” to the shopping list of stupid.
“They should go back to 1991 borders and withdraw their military. And rebuild what they destroyed.”
Not happening, ever.
Say ‘Bye Bye’ to those four Donbass regions.
Say ‘Bye Bye’ to Crimea. Only way ZelenskyyIdiot go there to see the sea is on a vacation....to Russia’s Crimea.
Those four regions and Crimea will NEVER be apart of Ukraine again.
And if let desperate ZelenskyyIdiot keep playing games, if going to be very lucky if more ain’t taken from Ukraine. Bet.
Won’t be no peace deal, because for there to be one, ZelenskyyIdiot would get the .75 cent solution, quickly afterwards.
“Another problem with talks is that there is no one to talk to. The Ukrainian comedian Zelensky is not in a position where he can give up and stay alive:
And one of the biggest impediments to any settlement, other than Russia eventually dictating terms, is the leader the collective West has put on a pedestal: Zelensky, with the additional baggage of his Banderite inner circle.”
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“Smith affirmatively quotes the former Russian president Medvedev who had explained the issue:
Vice Chairman of Russia’s Security Council, in a recent Telegram comment summarized in TASS, correctly depicted how Zelensky is boxed in:
Nevertheless, “Zelensky does not want any negotiations for quite obvious selfish reasons. Moreover, they [negotiations] are very dangerous for him,” Medvedev continued.
“After all, unless he acknowledges the realities of Ukraine’s break-up, it makes no sense to sit down at the [negotiating] table. Once he admits it, he will be bumped off by his own nationalists who are connected with the army top brass, and of whom he is scared out of his wits,” Medvedev said, describing the situation by the chess term ‘Zugzwang’ (in which each move of a player will worsen his/her position).”
‘Ukraine - No Way To Peace Without Further War’
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-no-way-to-peace-without-further-war.html#more
“And if let desperate ZelenskyyIdiot keep playing games, if going to be very lucky if more ain’t taken from Ukraine. Bet.”
Odessa
Ivanpresto, the talks that never happened would have, if conducted in April, have resulted in Ukraine giving up land that it has today, in November, conquered back from the Russians.
Putinistas are desperately trying g to call for “peace” , meaning Ukraine letting Pooptin keep the land he still has. Why? Because Pooptin is losing
Scram. I don’t speak to men who refuse to condemn abuse by the Church.
You don’t speak to non Russians who point out the inanity of you Russians supporting Putin
Cranko “Say ‘Bye Bye’ to those four Donbass regions.”
Towarisch, you lost kherson city to the Ukrainians just two weeks ago.
And Donetsk city next
(The US population lives behind an Iron Curtain of fake news and many are content with that)
That’s true. I speak with many like that.
They’re worried COVID-19 gonna get ‘em.
Please, I don’t speak to men who ignore crimes against children.
Hey sport, fake PR wins amount to nothing.
Why Ukies leaving Kherson after such a huge ass victory?
How did it feel to the Ukies when they entered an empty city with all its infrastructure destroyed?
Being “liberated” in Kherson is pretty fun
https://twitter.com/TheHumanFund5/status/1594425595118596097
Wonder what the next empty town or village the Ukies take and then call it a HUGE victory....
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