Posted on 09/27/2022 9:48:01 PM PDT by dead
“Now they expect us to believe that Russia has no reason to bomb these pipelines”
All the reasons you give for Putin to stop the pipelines Putin already could, or did, implement by moving a few valves. No need to ruin one of his best sources of bargaining to end the war in Ukraine.
Again, we will only get proclamations, Knee-jerk 80s wisdom, and insults from your side, not thinking. Call us Putinistas (we’re not) - but you all are pro-war, pro-Biden, pro-state-run media.
I agree Gonzalo is the real deal.
As regards Nordstream, why would Russia destroy it’s own infrastructure? As Gonzalo says, all they have to do is turn off the tap. For the Europeans, it is the closing of an emergency option. Biden threatened to do it and it’s pretty clear that he did, perhaps with U.K. and Ukraine help.
Stephen McIntyre of Climate Audit ties it together.
https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1574938075461197825
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If you could take a minute..can I ask you what Gonzalo Lira says in this video that you disagree with? Thanks.
Putin’s Russia are against homosexual propaganda and the transgender abuse of children. The woke libiots are supportive of Russia regime change.
The dems cannot use anything to cover up this horrible economy. Not when you are reminded daily when you HAVE TO put gas or buy food EVERYDAY. Gas here in NorCA cannot be found for anything less than $5.42 a gallon. Since I drove everyday, I can tell less people are driving. This is crushing people.
Re: 27 - This ^^^ 100%
There is no way to escape the fact of the mess the economy is in with Dems in control the Executive and Legislative branches. None. And that pint needs to be driven home. Again and again.
Lira insists its a submarine. The only country in the world that has submarines that could do this is Russia, not the United States. They have the Paltus special purpose submarine, the Project 678 and Project 1851 miniature submarines. This assumes it was a submarine. Some other form of sabotage can not be ruled out.
The US does not have the submarines that could do this anymore, if we ever had the ability in the first place. The NR-1 had manipular arms, she retired in 2008. The Mystic DSRVs were rescue only, not undersea manipulation, they are retired too. Any ships capable of carrying small submarines near the nordstream pipelines would make headlines.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/1083.htm
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/678.htm
http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_1851.htm
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There's no logical reason for Putin to blow up his own pipeline except as a false flag to justify future Russian attacks on Western infrastructure.
Would Putin do such a thing?
Why wouldn't he, if that's what he wants to do?
And we'll learn soon enough if Russians use the incident to justify their own attacks on western infrastructure.
Last night Tucker Carlson pointed the finger of blame squarely at our own administration, based on their previous public statements.
I hope he's wrong because the act itself seems stupid to me, no matter who really did it.
As for who here is "pro-war, pro-Biden, pro-state-run media" -- nobody is.
Some of us still remember that in the years before December 7, 1941, something like 80% of Americans opposed going to "foreign wars" in Europe or Asia -- it's none of our business, they said.
After Pearl Harbor virtually 100% supported the US war effort, including such notoriously pro-Nazi pacifists as Charles Lindberg.
To win that war we allied with arguably the world's greatest, or second greatest, mass murderer, Stalin.
WWII is said to have killed around 75 million people, including nearly half a million Americans.
After WWII most Americans accepted that we shouldn't let things get to the point they were in December 1941 before we jump in to shut down the world's little Hitlers.
One result was "endless wars" that DJT rightly decried.
Trump understood that the way to prevent future wars is by economic & military strength supporting robust diplomacy.
Democrats take the opposite approach -- let's be economically & militarily weak, diplomatically sniveling and preoccupied with issues like "global warming" and "social justice".
Bottom line: regardless of all that, Putin needs to be stopped or we will see far worse in the future, from the likes of China, Iran & North Korea for starters.
Exactly...
Your justification for “endless wars” to prevent another Pearl Harbor and preempt millions of deaths is a bromide that can’t be argued down, proven or falsified. In short, there’s no limit to the “justified” interventions we could start, and did start, against every leader who does bad things, in every continent on the planet, until we are broke.
Do you think we have any money at all to keep up these paranoid interventions all over the planet earth?
After the last 20-30 years of lessons learned - Do you think you all should continue to believe the neocon, Bush-Cheney-Clinton-Obama-Biden’s and their media scribes?
Do you think defending Zelenskyy and, for example, his constant bombing of the Donbass for 8 years, are worth risking our own (or Europe’s) or the earth’s nuclear destruction?
Why not pour every single effort we have into peace negotiations?
Baltic Pipe from Norway, one of the founding members of NATO, to Eastern Europe, Poland via Denmark. Poland borders Germany.
When completed in January 2023, it will transport natural gas from the North Sea to Poland via Denmark at up to 10 billion cubic metres (350 billion cubic feet) per year.[1]
Germans will just have to tough it out this Winter for the good of the Liberal World Order.
The project is recognised as a project of common interest of the European Union.[4][2]
I’m guessing he’s deep state.
My fear in this is that this is a U.S. driven attack to provoke Putin to do something to the U.S. interests as an “October Surprise” - get the focus off of the election and the issues killing the dems in the polls and onto a “rally around the flag - we’ve been attacked!” vibe.
I have minimal faith and trust in the integrity of our federal government these days. Life is cheap to them. Ware is profitable to them on many levels. Power is the ultimate goal for them.
Okay, the video does make some good points. Russia controls the Valve, just close it off. Destroying Infrastructure is STUPID and unnecessary. Beyond that, a very simple possibility was ignored.
Ruling out Ukraine, Germany, etc. is foolish, but seems like a low likelihood of them destroying the pipeline . A (manned) submarine is not needed. There are dozens of companies that have experience REPAIRING deep water pipelines to a depth of 3000M.
How hard would it be for some government to “borrow” one of these repair ships, send a ROV down to the pipeline, drop off a little package (to be used later) then detonate it at the “Right” time? That little bomb could easily have been there since March 2022. If you can repair a pipeline at depth, you sure as hell can blow one up.
https://www.oceaneering.com/pipeline-repair/
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You know full well it’s already unfolding here at FR. Has been for a long time.
You, I and anyone else who’ve accurately pointed out Ukraine’s provocations are under merely one example...the virus jabs being yet another.
I've never seen him before and may never see him again, but he was on the money in this video.
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