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To: BroJoeK

Your justification for “endless wars” to prevent another Pearl Harbor and preempt millions of deaths is a bromide that can’t be argued down, proven or falsified. In short, there’s no limit to the “justified” interventions we could start, and did start, against every leader who does bad things, in every continent on the planet, until we are broke.

Do you think we have any money at all to keep up these paranoid interventions all over the planet earth?

After the last 20-30 years of lessons learned - Do you think you all should continue to believe the neocon, Bush-Cheney-Clinton-Obama-Biden’s and their media scribes?

Do you think defending Zelenskyy and, for example, his constant bombing of the Donbass for 8 years, are worth risking our own (or Europe’s) or the earth’s nuclear destruction?

Why not pour every single effort we have into peace negotiations?


32 posted on 09/28/2022 4:30:44 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: ReaganGeneration2
ReaganGeneration2: "Your justification for “endless wars” to prevent another Pearl Harbor and preempt millions of deaths is a bromide that can’t be argued down, proven or falsified.
In short, there’s no limit to the “justified” interventions we could start, and did start, against every leader who does bad things, in every continent on the planet, until we are broke."

Go back and read my post again, you'll find no justification there for "endless wars", just the opposite.

Please read that sentence over and over again, until its meaning sinks into your brain.
Our problem today is the opposite: ReaganGeneration2: "Do you think we have any money at all to keep up these paranoid interventions all over the planet earth?"

We have more than enough money to maintain a robust military posture, robust enough to deter the likes of Putin, Xi, Kim & whoever is in charge of Iran these days -- if we simply stop throwing it away on lunatic schemes to end global warming and pay-offs for Democrat doners.

ReaganGeneration2: "After the last 20-30 years of lessons learned - Do you think you all should continue to believe the neocon, Bush-Cheney-Clinton-Obama-Biden’s and their media scribes?"

Who are you calling "you all", Kemosabe?
Donald Trump well understands that nothing we can do is more provocative to the world's little dictators than turning ourselves from the world's superpower leader into just another weak & unreliable western ally.

The main "lesson learned" since Vietnam is that whenever we put Democrats in charge, our foreign enemies will win.

ReaganGeneration2: "Do you think defending Zelenskyy and, for example, his constant bombing of the Donbass for 8 years, are worth risking our own (or Europe’s) or the earth’s nuclear destruction?"

I think Zelenskyy has been in office three years, since May 2019.
Before that, I don't think he was bombing anybody.
I do think Russian occupation of Ukraine territory is wrong in every way and should be defeated.
If it's not, then we will pay the price for our weakness and cowardice many times over in the future.

ReaganGeneration2: "Why not pour every single effort we have into peace negotiations?"

The only way to negotiate with Putin is by credibly threatening him with very dire consequences unless he immediately withdraws from all of Ukraine.
Such threats can only be made by somebody Putin believes will carry them out, somebody like Donald Trump.

Overall, Russia was able to conquer about 10% of Ukraine, said to be Ukraine's most economically productive region.
Ukraine's recent counteroffensive is said to have won back about 10% of that and today threatens at least another 20%.
So Ukrainians are unlikely to give up fighting anytime soon.

If Putin responds with nukes, it will be the beginning of a new age, and not a nice one.

41 posted on 09/28/2022 8:45:34 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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