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Former top Pentagon officials warn of "extreme strain" on civilian-military relations
Axios ^ | 2022-09-06 | Ivana Saric

Posted on 09/06/2022 2:51:00 PM PDT by Salman

The U.S. is experiencing an "exceptionally challenging" environment for the relationship between military and civilian parts of society, a large group of former Pentagon leaders warned in an open letter published Tuesday.

Why it matters: The letter, which cited political polarization and other social changes, was signed by eight former defense secretaries and five former Joint Chiefs chairmen from both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Among the signatories were two of former President Trump's defense secretaries, Jim Mattis and Mark Esper.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deepstate; jimmattis; markesper; military; tyranny
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To: AnthonySoprano

“Lindsey Graham and Milley are good friends. Dine together regularly.”

That would not surprise me.


21 posted on 09/06/2022 3:31:24 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Salman

The only mistrust is of the sexual deviants at the top of the chain of command.


22 posted on 09/06/2022 3:31:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: Salman
an "exceptionally challenging" environment for the relationship between military and civilian parts of society

No, just military leadership. Such as it is.

23 posted on 09/06/2022 3:35:05 PM PDT by grobdriver (The CDC can KMA!)
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To: ought-six

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24 posted on 09/06/2022 3:36:22 PM PDT by skepsel ("A cat is more intelligent than people believe, and can be taught any crime", Mark Twain.)
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To: nascarnation

Maybe some are only pretending to go along with the globohomo until pro-American civilians are ba k in charge.


25 posted on 09/06/2022 3:37:22 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: nascarnation

I’m starting to doubt it. The left realized the right have a lot of guns. Their response was to take over the military and fund BLM. As a result, we’re seeing a more brazen attitude from Democrats now.


26 posted on 09/06/2022 3:38:48 PM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Yep.
Of course, he is just a puppet, too.
His handlers used his 8 years to seed their deep state, commie, globalist operatives throughout the fed gov.
DOD, DOJ, ATF, EPA, IC, all branches.
It would have been put into action under Shrillary but those pesky MAGA deplorables messed that up.
They had to steal an election and get Pedo Joe installed for their plan to work.


27 posted on 09/06/2022 3:40:06 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Salman
Gee what a shame! Real Americans don't care for wokeness. The "social changes" you've made won't stick.


28 posted on 09/06/2022 3:42:18 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: sauropod

He’s the worst I can remember. Totally self-serving. Disgrace to the Army.


29 posted on 09/06/2022 3:47:10 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (If your opponent is of choleric temper, irritate him. ~ Sun Tzu )
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To: skepsel

Great band. “Sharp Dressed Man” is a classic.


30 posted on 09/06/2022 3:47:57 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Assuming they’ll ever meet recruiting targets. Good luck to them when the only ones they can get are those who can hardly operate a can opener, let alone an F-15


31 posted on 09/06/2022 4:03:03 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“None of this crap was going on, at least on this level, before the Kenyan f**got took office.”

Some would argue even earlier, but the formal and terminally decisive leftist,, social Marxist, and sexual perversion takeovers of the DoD, IC, and DOJ/FBI, EDU, and IRS overwhelmingly took place under Clinton.

Even Obama, (raised by Congressional, IC, and FBI known KGB agent FMD), was a Clinton elevated leftist stooge/agent, used by Clinton to destroy the housing market and commercial banks, and to 100% corruptly leverage HUD and Fannie Mae through the federal CRA.

Even Rahm Emanuel (Obama’s primary hit man who was long connected to a North Chicago KGB/FSB cell), was all Clinton, as was Mueller, Comey, Holder, etc, etc...

Obama was definitely second wave, but Clinton was truly terminal.

I am not a Bush fan, but similar to Trump, Bush never really had control over the IC, or really the DoJ.

When China literally “bumped” pir US Navy PC3 and forced it to land in China, and later when we were hit in 9/11, it was nearly all Clinton leftist’s and social Marxist in control.


32 posted on 09/06/2022 4:05:18 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“None of this crap was going on, at least on this level, before the Kenyan f**got took office.”

Some would argue even earlier, but the formal and terminally decisive leftist,, social Marxist, and sexual perversion takeovers of the DoD, IC, and DOJ/FBI, EDU, and IRS overwhelmingly took place under Clinton.

Even Obama, (raised by Congressional, IC, and FBI known KGB agent FMD), was a Clinton elevated leftist stooge/agent, used by Clinton to destroy the housing market and commercial banks, and to 100% corruptly leverage HUD and Fannie Mae through the federal CRA.

Even Rahm Emanuel (Obama’s primary hit man who was long connected to a North Chicago KGB/FSB cell), was all Clinton, as was Mueller, Comey, Holder, etc, etc...

Obama was definitely second wave, but Clinton was truly terminal.

I am not a Bush fan, but similar to Trump, Bush never really had control over the IC, or really the DoJ.

When China literally “bumped” pir US Navy PC3 and forced it to land in China, and later when we were hit in 9/11, it was nearly all Clinton leftist’s and social Marxist in control.


33 posted on 09/06/2022 4:05:27 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Salman

Notice how they didn’t address recruiting since they’ve screwed up the military with their social engineering.


34 posted on 09/06/2022 4:19:49 PM PDT by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Not that it matters what I believe or think, but I feel the only reason our Supreme Court did not question this closet (m)uslim in reference to his birthplace was they were afraid that it would trigger riots.


35 posted on 09/06/2022 4:24:08 PM PDT by Saintgermain
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To: Salman

Also notice that they failed to address the blatant treason by their Commander of the Joint Chiefs, Army General Milley who openly admits that he worked to undermine President Trump. And why isn’t this a huge issue?


36 posted on 09/06/2022 4:24:46 PM PDT by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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To: Salman

“first election in over a century when the peaceful transfer of political power was disrupted and in doubt.”

Not true. 1960. Kennedy was not elected president. Illinois’ electoral votes should have gone to Nixon. Vote fraud by Mayor Daly in Chicago (largely conceded today by everyone, even democrats) switched those votes.

Nixon decided not to contest the fraud. Peaceful transfer was very much in doubt until he backed off.


37 posted on 09/06/2022 4:26:54 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Salman

The signers are the ones that are highly responsible for the crap in the military.


38 posted on 09/06/2022 4:31:30 PM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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To: Salman

My impression is that during the Trump years the troops were with him solidly, but the generals were not.


39 posted on 09/06/2022 4:33:54 PM PDT by elpadre (W )
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To: big'ol_freeper

Look at what he tried to do to Eddie Gallagher.


40 posted on 09/06/2022 5:06:41 PM PDT by sauropod (Unbelief has nothing to say. Chanece favors the prepared mind.)
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