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Kherson counter-offensive cheered by Ukrainians enduring Russian rule
FT ^ | 02-SEP-2022 | John Paul Rathbone

Posted on 09/03/2022 12:07:14 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

The only city captured intact by Putin’s forces remains a hotbed of resistance and partisan activity.

It was the news many in Kherson had waited six months to hear. The Ukrainian counter-offensive launched this week to recapture the southern city was cheered by those who have suffered under Russian rule since Moscow’s forces took over in March.

Residents in Kherson, strategically located on the Dnipro river that cuts across the country, reported hearing missile strikes and explosions around the city, which had made the Russian patrol increasingly jumpy.

“The pro-Ukrainian activity of people who remain in Kherson is very high,” said one resident in his mid-40s. “People here closely follow events at the front, cheer for the armed forces and await the liberation of the city.”

“Explosions are happening every day,” said another Kherson resident, a pensioner. Like all those who spoke to the Financial Times by phone from the city this week, they asked that their names be withheld for their safety.

Kherson remains the only provincial Ukrainian capital captured intact by Russian forces since President Vladimir Putin ordered the full invasion of the country in February, and the only territory occupied by Russian forces that lies west of the Dnipro river.

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To: PIF; Travis McGee
Ask you FSB handlers I’m sure they have a large supply of drug - you sure to find one or more to your liking. Maybe they will have some left over Owlsley.

We KNOW that Matt is an actual American.

We DON'T know about YOU, Speedy mini-me.

41 posted on 09/03/2022 3:31:06 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Robert DeLong
Is Europe being inconvenienced, and suffering some economic loss? Sure. But I was responding to the wildly over the top Russian propaganda claims that "the EU is crippled", and the West has been "brought to its knees".

If any of that were actually true, there is no way in hell any members of the EU, or the U.S., would still be sending money and armaments to Ukraine. By definition, we'd have stopped, promised that we wouldn't do it again, and be begging Russia to finish its conquest of Ukraine and start shipping fuel again. Because we would all have been brought to our knees. Right?

If all this is true, why is NATO refusing to engage, including the U.S.?

We are and have been very much engaged in terms of providing critical military support. Because Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and we don't want to automatically trigger WW3, we haven't gotten directly involved militarily. But that was also true right at the very outset if this war, long before the loss of Russian fuel had even happened, and long before any possible claim that we were "crippled" or "brought to our knees".

If anything, we have increased our support of Ukraine since the loss of Russia fuel. So if we are "crippled" and "on our knees" before the glory of Mother Russia, we sure have a funny way of showing it.

42 posted on 09/03/2022 3:41:06 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin (G)
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To: Robert DeLong
Is Europe being inconvenienced, and suffering some economic loss? Sure. But I was responding to the wildly over the top Russian propaganda claims that "the EU is crippled", and the West has been "brought to its knees".

If any of that were actually true, there is no way in hell any members of the EU, or the U.S., would still be sending money and armaments to Ukraine. By definition, we'd have stopped, promised that we wouldn't do it again, and be begging Russia to finish its conquest of Ukraine and start shipping fuel again. Because we would all have been brought to our knees. Right?

If all this is true, why is NATO refusing to engage, including the U.S.?

We are and have been very much engaged in terms of providing critical military support. Because Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and we don't want to automatically trigger WW3, we haven't gotten directly involved militarily. But that was also true right at the very outset if this war, long before the loss of Russian fuel had even happened, and long before any possible claim that we were "crippled" or "brought to our knees".

If anything, we have increased our support of Ukraine since the loss of Russia fuel. So if we are "crippled" and "on our knees" before the glory of Mother Russia, we sure have a funny way of showing it.

43 posted on 09/03/2022 3:42:47 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin (G)
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To: achilles2000

I believe you sent this to the wrong party. I loathe the pitiful Ukie morons and even more, their paid propagandists and useful idiots.


44 posted on 09/03/2022 3:51:17 PM PDT by Gottfried
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To: kiryandil

What ever nationality has nothing to do with anything, Mr. Time Waster. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were actual Americans.


45 posted on 09/03/2022 3:53:57 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Ukraine is pining for the fjords!


46 posted on 09/03/2022 3:58:32 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: WMarshal

“We’re not obsessed by anything, you see,” insisted Ford.

“...”

“And that’s the deciding factor. We can’t win against obsession. They care, we don’t. They win.”

“I care about lots of things,” said Slartibartfast, his voice trembling partly with annoyance, but partly also with uncertainty.

“Such as?”

“Well,” said the old man, “life, the Universe. Everything, really. Fjords.”

“Would you die for them?”

“Fjords?” blinked Slartibartfast in surprise. “No.”

“Well then.”

“Wouldn’t see the point, to be honest.”


47 posted on 09/03/2022 4:06:38 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
What ever nationality has nothing to do with anything, Mr. Time Waster.

What a fascinating and telling reply.

48 posted on 09/03/2022 4:06:49 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Timber Rattler
There are no winners for the Ukrainian citizenship in this conflict. ....

Except of course these two.


49 posted on 09/03/2022 4:11:23 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Travis McGee

“I have no doubt at all.”

The only problem with what you’re saying - in an analogy - is that it doesn’t make sense. Zelensky was running against an incumbent president (Poroshenko). Trump (if he’s the nominee in 2024; or any Republican nominee) would be running against an incumbent Biden who dominates the MSM because of its bias. Even if you’re just talking about the midterms - since you mention 2023 - your analogy still doesn’t work for the very same reason. In other words, your analogy is backwards. How do you not understand that?


50 posted on 09/03/2022 4:11:35 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Thunder90

That’s a bright idea. I wonder why nobody else thought of it. NATO to go attack Russian forces. And even if Poland attacks Russian forces, that makes Poland a target.
You’re a real strategic thinker there.


51 posted on 09/03/2022 4:42:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: PIF

“Ask you FSB handlers”

“Everybody who disagrees with me is a Russian/Chinese/ISIS/Iranian etc agent”

Are you a bot, or an under-11-year-old posting from mommy’s basement?

Geez, up your game. It’s embarrassing.


52 posted on 09/03/2022 5:00:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Petrosius

That election was when Z ran on a platform of ending the war against the Donbass, implementing Minsk 2, and ending the ethnic cleansing.
After he won a huge landslide, the Azov nazis refused his orders to remove artillery and heavy weapons from the east, and to redeploy to the west.
They refused the order, in person, ON VIDEO. They told him they would return with an even bigger force and hang him from a tree on Kreschatik street in Kiev.

He folded in the face of nazi threats, and the US State and DOD pushing him to walk away from Minsk.


53 posted on 09/03/2022 5:23:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: PIF

Travis served and you are pure trash for calling him a foreign agent.


54 posted on 09/03/2022 5:27:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: kiryandil

You are right.


55 posted on 09/03/2022 5:30:00 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: kiryandil

PIF said “What ever nationality has nothing to do with anything”

I guess we know now! lol Another foreigner.


56 posted on 09/03/2022 5:30:42 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
If any of that were actually true, there is no way in hell any members of the EU, or the U.S., would still be sending money and armaments to Ukraine

Two things:

1) We are current 30 trillion 865 billion dollars in debt, when you count in unfunded liabilities, it's 222 trillion. So, should we be sending any money there?

If it were not for the fact that we are the world's reserve currency, we wouldn't be able to print money like drunken sailors. If BRICS has their way they will topple the dollar as the world's reserve currency, we may lose that honor. What do you think that will do to us overnight? Think Zimbabwe.

57 posted on 09/03/2022 6:17:26 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: ansel12
If any of that were actually true, there is no way in hell any members of the EU, or the U.S., would still be sending money and armaments to Ukraine

Problem is we are no longer energy independent of foreign oil. So, we can't help Europe one iota.

58 posted on 09/03/2022 6:19:09 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Total fabrication

It was a trap and now they are in crisis

The “offensive” was risky


59 posted on 09/03/2022 6:23:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (If you are squishy about what’s going on you’re damn weak and on the wrong forum )
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To: Robert DeLong

That wasn’t a quote of me, did you get something mixed up?


60 posted on 09/03/2022 6:32:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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